Our Inspiration V.T.Rajashekar, the greatest living intellectual in India and the greatest intellectual in India after Buddha and Ambedkar gave a moving speech in Mysore University on the death anniversary of Babasaheb. We were not able to attend this meeting as we were traveling in China. But many of our dalit intellectuals were extremely moved by this great speech. Below are some snippets from this great speech titled – ‘The Crisis in Dalit Movement’.
VTR mentioned that Ambedkar is father of India while Gandhi is just father of nation. And Gandhi’s nation is just upper caste nation consisting of 15% population. But Babasaheb is the father of SC/ST/BCs and Christian/Sikh/Muslims plus Hindus, he naturally becomes the father of all the seven principal “nations” living in India — automatically becoming the “Father of India”.
Why are the Dalits still going to Hindu temples and praying for Hindu gods. Don’t they see how the Brahmins are crushing us. Convert yourselves to Buddhism. Of course true Buddhism of Babasaheb and not the brahminical Buddhism which teaches meditation. We have many members from Dalit families who go to all these temples like Tirupathi, Dharmasthala and Vaishnavo Devi. These people are killing Babasaheb and his work. They will remain slaves always. We converted to Buddhism many years ago but now this fat pot bellied Bania called Goenka and the Zionist controlled Dalai lama are preaching and controlling the Dalit Buddhists by teaching them Brahminism and Vipassna Meditation in the name of Buddhism. The Buddha asked the Dalits to wake up and crush the Hindus...... VTR spoke about this in great detail.
Babasaheb said “Untouchables are not Hindu and were never Hindu”. Did he not say that? How many dalits can touch your heart and confess that you are not Hindu? You have Hindu names, you worship Hindu gods, you go to Hindu temple, you observe Hindu festivals. Yes, you are Hindu. Babasaheb asked us to quit Hinduism and embrace Buddhism. Did we do it? When I was born I was a Hindu but later I kicked this gutter stuff.
At that time we had many revolutionary movements in the country. Several of our Dalit leaders like Siddiah and Joseph Dsouza of Dalit freedom Network have embraced christianity atleast they are better now. How many dalits still feel they are Hindus. Shame on them. What about the reservations? Have we have been able to fight and force the govt. to implement the constitutional reservations? We need to fight for reservations in Private sector, which is a family enterprise of some upper caste businessmen?
Quite a number of the senior officers do not disclose they are Dalit. They put on nama, kumkum, go to Tirupati. Do all sorts of pujas to please Brahmins. But no amount of eating Brahmin shit will please the rulers. In fact such cowardly fellows will be the first to be slaughtered.
Do you know that in Yajnas and Yagas it is only the tame animals like cow, sheep, lamb that are slaughtered and eaten? They don’t touch lion and tiger. Babasaheb was a lion. But we his children have become like pig, sheep, lamb. Read Babasaheb’s book, The Buddha & His Dhamma. The Budhism he propounded in it is different from the Buddhism our people are following. When we go to Budhist functions. The Bhikkus at the conversion ceremony insist upon vegetarian food. Babasaheb was a meat-eater. Buddha died out of eating pork. But our Buddhists propagate vegetarianism. Shame on them. We dalits should eat what is required for us. We should fight against the ban on cow slaughter. How dare the Brahmins deprive us of our food.
The Mahabodi soceity teaches brahmin buddhism. Beware of them. There is a powerful movement led by Brahmins and a Marwari Goenka to propagate Vipassana (meditation). But this again is not Babasaheb’s Budhism. Nobody has seen Babasaheb doing meditation or writing or speaking about meditation. All nonsense.Meditation is Brahmin Humbug. But many of our highly placed Dalit officials have fallen a prey to Vipassana.
Do you know that Budha was holding kadga (sword) and openly waging war against Brahmins? That is why the Brahmins killed Budhism and reduced it a non-violent, vegetarian stuff and our people have fallen a victim to this totally false Brahminical Budhism. In other words our people have failed in taking the right path even in Budhism. And those couple of people who became Budhists are under the grip of Brahminism. Women make half the world. The Dalit movement and the Ambedkar thoughts are confined only to men. Even in houses where Dalit Voice goes, only the men read it and then sleep. Their women visit Brahmin temples and influence their children in Hindu superstitions. Our Dalit women worship Hindu gods in their houses.
When a person calls himself an Ambedkarite and if he cannot influence his own wife, how can he influence the society? How can he transform his people?
Look at the Hindu terrorist party, RSS. They catch hold of only youth and women. That is how they grow and we become weak and weaker. It is true that Truth is with us, justice is with us, history is with us, number is also with us. Yes. Brahmins have nothing and yet they win because they have the right strategies and tactics. Ideology alone is not enough to win a battle. You need right strategies and tactics. Babasaheb had given us the strategies and tactics — “Educate, Agitate, Organise”. But we by-heart and sing Thri Sarana blindly without understanding its meaning. Dalit movement failed because of male domination. Keeping the youth and women out, we have cheated our Father and killed the Dalit movement.
Yet another serious problem, which virtually our entire community has completely missed its attention caught in the fierce current of the money-driven society operated by the Brahminical rulers. Thousands and thousands of starving Dalits and Tribals and even Backward Castes in Bihar, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan, UP, Orissa etc. are rushing to big metro cities like Bombay, Bangalore, Delhi, Hyderabad etc. In these cities they do get two immediate relief. They get enough to eat, their hunger problem solved, and they are saved from the daily caste atrocities, abuses which are essential part of their village life.
But in their natural abode of their villages they were conscious of their caste as they lived in the midst of their caste people and formed part of their caste struggle. Once they moved to the urban jungle they forget their caste and join the millions of struggling “poor”. It is a long jump from “caste” to “class”, leading to total transformation in their mental make up. This is exactly what the Brahminical rulers want. And they succeeded in killing their caste anger and pushed them to the urban jungle of “class struggle”. From caste oppression to class exploitation. Brahmins love this because it is easier to dupe those singing the song of class struggle. We have the famous example of W. Bengal and Kerala where the Manuwadi marxists have killed the Dalit movement.
Then we have the menace of NGOs which is the total monopoly of the upper castes. As they get foreign funds, the Home Ministry packed with Brahmins are very careful that these funds do not fall into the hands of revolutionary sections. We have hardly any Dalit NGO in India. Most of the NGOs being upper caste, they make a song and dance of the Dalit movement and dupe the Dalits. Today these NGOs have become a real menace to the Dalit movement as they are deeply involved in spotting the best Dalit male or female youth and recruiting them. Once our youth join the NGO, the fire in them is dead. They will no longer use the word “Dalit”. They are called “marginalised people”. Their entire vocabulary changes.
NGOs are a real menace, seriously engaged by the Brahminical rulers to destroy the last remaining Dalit movement. I found the menace very serious in Andhra Pradesh — diverting our people’s anger from issue to non-issue.
But in today’s money-driven society who is interested in Babasaheb’s thoughts? Will it bring money? Will it bring power? No.
In the absence of both money and power — twin craze that is driving today’s society — I find a bleak future for our people. Babasaheb taught us about the value-driven society. But today that society is dead.
For reading:
V.T. Rajshekar, The Second Partition of India?— Sunset on Dalit World, DSA-2000.
V.T. Rajshekar, Brahminism Swallowing Ambedkarite Movement?, DSA-1999.
VTR mentioned that Ambedkar is father of India while Gandhi is just father of nation. And Gandhi’s nation is just upper caste nation consisting of 15% population. But Babasaheb is the father of SC/ST/BCs and Christian/Sikh/Muslims plus Hindus, he naturally becomes the father of all the seven principal “nations” living in India — automatically becoming the “Father of India”.
Why are the Dalits still going to Hindu temples and praying for Hindu gods. Don’t they see how the Brahmins are crushing us. Convert yourselves to Buddhism. Of course true Buddhism of Babasaheb and not the brahminical Buddhism which teaches meditation. We have many members from Dalit families who go to all these temples like Tirupathi, Dharmasthala and Vaishnavo Devi. These people are killing Babasaheb and his work. They will remain slaves always. We converted to Buddhism many years ago but now this fat pot bellied Bania called Goenka and the Zionist controlled Dalai lama are preaching and controlling the Dalit Buddhists by teaching them Brahminism and Vipassna Meditation in the name of Buddhism. The Buddha asked the Dalits to wake up and crush the Hindus...... VTR spoke about this in great detail.
Babasaheb said “Untouchables are not Hindu and were never Hindu”. Did he not say that? How many dalits can touch your heart and confess that you are not Hindu? You have Hindu names, you worship Hindu gods, you go to Hindu temple, you observe Hindu festivals. Yes, you are Hindu. Babasaheb asked us to quit Hinduism and embrace Buddhism. Did we do it? When I was born I was a Hindu but later I kicked this gutter stuff.
At that time we had many revolutionary movements in the country. Several of our Dalit leaders like Siddiah and Joseph Dsouza of Dalit freedom Network have embraced christianity atleast they are better now. How many dalits still feel they are Hindus. Shame on them. What about the reservations? Have we have been able to fight and force the govt. to implement the constitutional reservations? We need to fight for reservations in Private sector, which is a family enterprise of some upper caste businessmen?
Quite a number of the senior officers do not disclose they are Dalit. They put on nama, kumkum, go to Tirupati. Do all sorts of pujas to please Brahmins. But no amount of eating Brahmin shit will please the rulers. In fact such cowardly fellows will be the first to be slaughtered.
Do you know that in Yajnas and Yagas it is only the tame animals like cow, sheep, lamb that are slaughtered and eaten? They don’t touch lion and tiger. Babasaheb was a lion. But we his children have become like pig, sheep, lamb. Read Babasaheb’s book, The Buddha & His Dhamma. The Budhism he propounded in it is different from the Buddhism our people are following. When we go to Budhist functions. The Bhikkus at the conversion ceremony insist upon vegetarian food. Babasaheb was a meat-eater. Buddha died out of eating pork. But our Buddhists propagate vegetarianism. Shame on them. We dalits should eat what is required for us. We should fight against the ban on cow slaughter. How dare the Brahmins deprive us of our food.
The Mahabodi soceity teaches brahmin buddhism. Beware of them. There is a powerful movement led by Brahmins and a Marwari Goenka to propagate Vipassana (meditation). But this again is not Babasaheb’s Budhism. Nobody has seen Babasaheb doing meditation or writing or speaking about meditation. All nonsense.Meditation is Brahmin Humbug. But many of our highly placed Dalit officials have fallen a prey to Vipassana.
Do you know that Budha was holding kadga (sword) and openly waging war against Brahmins? That is why the Brahmins killed Budhism and reduced it a non-violent, vegetarian stuff and our people have fallen a victim to this totally false Brahminical Budhism. In other words our people have failed in taking the right path even in Budhism. And those couple of people who became Budhists are under the grip of Brahminism. Women make half the world. The Dalit movement and the Ambedkar thoughts are confined only to men. Even in houses where Dalit Voice goes, only the men read it and then sleep. Their women visit Brahmin temples and influence their children in Hindu superstitions. Our Dalit women worship Hindu gods in their houses.
When a person calls himself an Ambedkarite and if he cannot influence his own wife, how can he influence the society? How can he transform his people?
Look at the Hindu terrorist party, RSS. They catch hold of only youth and women. That is how they grow and we become weak and weaker. It is true that Truth is with us, justice is with us, history is with us, number is also with us. Yes. Brahmins have nothing and yet they win because they have the right strategies and tactics. Ideology alone is not enough to win a battle. You need right strategies and tactics. Babasaheb had given us the strategies and tactics — “Educate, Agitate, Organise”. But we by-heart and sing Thri Sarana blindly without understanding its meaning. Dalit movement failed because of male domination. Keeping the youth and women out, we have cheated our Father and killed the Dalit movement.
Yet another serious problem, which virtually our entire community has completely missed its attention caught in the fierce current of the money-driven society operated by the Brahminical rulers. Thousands and thousands of starving Dalits and Tribals and even Backward Castes in Bihar, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan, UP, Orissa etc. are rushing to big metro cities like Bombay, Bangalore, Delhi, Hyderabad etc. In these cities they do get two immediate relief. They get enough to eat, their hunger problem solved, and they are saved from the daily caste atrocities, abuses which are essential part of their village life.
But in their natural abode of their villages they were conscious of their caste as they lived in the midst of their caste people and formed part of their caste struggle. Once they moved to the urban jungle they forget their caste and join the millions of struggling “poor”. It is a long jump from “caste” to “class”, leading to total transformation in their mental make up. This is exactly what the Brahminical rulers want. And they succeeded in killing their caste anger and pushed them to the urban jungle of “class struggle”. From caste oppression to class exploitation. Brahmins love this because it is easier to dupe those singing the song of class struggle. We have the famous example of W. Bengal and Kerala where the Manuwadi marxists have killed the Dalit movement.
Then we have the menace of NGOs which is the total monopoly of the upper castes. As they get foreign funds, the Home Ministry packed with Brahmins are very careful that these funds do not fall into the hands of revolutionary sections. We have hardly any Dalit NGO in India. Most of the NGOs being upper caste, they make a song and dance of the Dalit movement and dupe the Dalits. Today these NGOs have become a real menace to the Dalit movement as they are deeply involved in spotting the best Dalit male or female youth and recruiting them. Once our youth join the NGO, the fire in them is dead. They will no longer use the word “Dalit”. They are called “marginalised people”. Their entire vocabulary changes.
NGOs are a real menace, seriously engaged by the Brahminical rulers to destroy the last remaining Dalit movement. I found the menace very serious in Andhra Pradesh — diverting our people’s anger from issue to non-issue.
But in today’s money-driven society who is interested in Babasaheb’s thoughts? Will it bring money? Will it bring power? No.
In the absence of both money and power — twin craze that is driving today’s society — I find a bleak future for our people. Babasaheb taught us about the value-driven society. But today that society is dead.
For reading:
V.T. Rajshekar, The Second Partition of India?— Sunset on Dalit World, DSA-2000.
V.T. Rajshekar, Brahminism Swallowing Ambedkarite Movement?, DSA-1999.
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Khawatein Voice said
Mr V T Rajshekar is Editor of the Bangalore based magazine “Dalit Voice.” He presumes himself as the Messiah of Dalits. He has spent his entire life finding flaws in Judaism and Hinduism. He has nothing good to say about these two religions. These two religions are anathema to him. He feels that Judaism and Hinduism reek of racial prejudice and are therefore detrimental to civilized human society. The Brahmins of Hindus and the Rabbis of Jews have robbed their people of the more humane feelings of equality and brotherly love. It’s true that all religions have flaws – no denying that. But look at the other side – the best scientific achievements to humankind have been rendered by Jews [Jews have the highest number of Nobel Prize winners... more than 150. Visit http://www.science.co.il/Nobel.asp and use the search interface] – and the best example of human equality (irrespective of religion or caste) comes from India, the land predominantly of Hindus. India is secular (because anyone can say and do anything) because we live in a Hindu India.
Rajshekar’s son lives in United States. But the father himself is a big critic of US. This is the biggest hypocrisy commonly seen amongst the communists and Muslims of India. If VT Rajshekar falls ill, he would not go to Saudi Arabia or any Muslim country for treatment. Nor would he search for any Muslim doctor. He’d take treatment in India or else go to US or UK. He talks of equality in Islam. What equality is this? Where a man can keep four wives to satisfy his carnal lust? Isn’t there disparity in the income and lifestyles of Muslims?
Are Muslim women given proper education? Aren’t they kept more within the confines of their homes than in the open air of education and equal opportunity? They are the true dalits of India and not these Muslim men who perhaps have more freedom in India than the Muslims of Pakistan or Afghanistan. The Muslim women are dalits everywhere. They are exploited, humiliated and have continued to be wretched creatures for centuries. VT Rajshekar doesn’t find anything bad when a Saudi Sheikh comes to Hyderabad and buys a young Muslim concubine for himself. But he doesn’t pity the Jews who have been the worst sufferers of religious hatred and persecution.
I request Hindus, Buddhists, Christians and Sikhs to come forward and help us – the truly wretched Muslim women! We need your helping hand. Please come out and help in liberating us from the clutches of Islam.
PLEASE HELP THE MUSLIM WOMEN, THE TRUE DALITS OF INDIA.
Mrs. Haseena Khatun, Editor
“Khawatein Voice”
http://www.khawatein.blogspot.com
Khawatein Voice said
If we look at the society around us, we find good and bad everywhere. In every stratum, in every caste, in every religion we have good and bad people. A poor should be called a poor, and a rich, a rich. Being poor doesn’t make one a good person, and being rich doesn’t make one a bad person. Goodness and Badness is not dependent one’s level of income. It’s an innate nature of human beings.
However, this innate nature is often influenced by external conditioning – such as family environment, immediate society, education, religion etc. To a Christian or a Hindu, the influence of his religion is not as strong as that on a Muslim (male). This is because a non-Muslim is never “conditioned” to think in one way – as a Muslim man is conditioned to think. A Muslim man cannot think beyond Koran. Dr. Zakir Naik of Islamic Research Foundation rightly says that for Muslims like him Koran is the benchmark for everything. Science is okay in as far as it agrees with Koran. It’s a different matter that Muslim scholars strive to extrapolate, mince and misinterpret Koranic verses to prove that they contend with science. Koran and Science is a new area of research for these Muslim “scientists” (people like Dr. Zakir Naik) to prove that Science agrees with Koran (and, not otherwise). All developments of science – theories, postulates, theorems and axioms are there in Koran, which need to be researched, unveiled and exposed. Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle, Quantum theory, Concepts of relativity, Postulates of Darwin… etc. are all there in Koran. Prophet Mohammed was not only a prophet; he was also a scientist-par-excellence. He had his own research laboratory with 11 lab assistants (you guess the names). It’s an irony that the developed world doesn’t recognize his scientific genius. One Koran is enough to replace all books on Math, Physics, Chemistry, Botany, and Anthropology… by just knowing and understanding the Koran, a person can understand all the secrets of nature.
The Rich Dalits and Muslims… Thriving on Hypocrisy and Hatred towards Hinduism
I must not deviate. Though I am a Muslim myself (a true Muslim never deviates), I am in the habit of deviating from the right path (the path of Islam) and search for newer paths. The Koran in Surah 2 (The Heifer) talks about these hypocrites like me. I, on my part, would like to talk about the hypocrites like VT Rajshekar (Editor of magazine “Dalit Voice”), Kancha Ilaiah (of “Why I am Not a Hindu” fame), Zakir Naik (Dr. Koran)… and the likes. These people portray themselves as oppressed and subjugated – as if all the agonies and sorrows on earth have befallen them. So beautifully they craft words to win audience, that the true Dalits – the really true Dalits, who are really oppressed and exploited, lose their voice. Has anyone enquired into the personal lives of these pseudo-dalits? Are they really dalits? To talk about the rights of dalits is welcome – but who is the real dalit? Whose voice is unheard of? These powerful men have themselves become rich talking about dalits and Islam, but we Muslim women continue to remain under misery and desolation. Do Muslim women have any voice? I was luckier that I married a non-Muslim. And today I have the freedom to write about the issues beyond the veil. The dalits of India are not as exploited as these leaders portray them to be. The plight of dalits (other than Muslim women) has more monetary nuances than otherwise. The oppressed are they who are financially weak. The financially strong, from whatever lower caste they may come from, are not oppressed. And this oppression too is sporadic and milder compared to the oppression that Muslim women face. India offers its citizens far more rights than any other country. But Muslim women are really oppressed, irrespective of their financial status. And the reasons are religious, not political or otherwise. Only Islam is responsible for their poor condition.
Majority of the Hindus are liberal, respectful to other faiths and peace-loving
My husband is a Hindu, loves me, and respects Islam more than I myself. I must say, that India offers tremendous freedom to people to speak their mind. Anti-Hindu books have sold like hot cakes – bought predominantly by Hindus only. Hindus have tremendous tenacity to accept criticism. Anti-Islam literature is mostly available online (many Islamic countries do not permit thought-provoking sites such as faithfreedom.org), but you’d find anti-Hindu books in Hindu shops! What does it speak of? If Hinduism is really that bad, if it is really that oppressive, it’d oppress anti-Hindu publications also. But it never did so. Go to any railway book stall beside Gita-Press outlet and you can freely ask for a copy of Kancha Ilaiah’s “Why I am Not a Hindu?” You can also frivolously tell the Hindu bookseller how much praise you have heard about this book from Dr. Zakir Naik (Dr. Koran) or VT Rajshekar. But I can assure you, you’d never get a hard copy of “Why I am Not a Muslim” by Ibn Warraq anywhere in India, neither in Hindu shops, nor in Muslim shops. [Read my post “Mr. Kancha Ilaiah - Why I Am Not a Muslim!’ You can use the search field on top left of this page]. You’d never get published copies of all those articles posted by Brother Ali Sina (and party) on their website http://www.faithfreedom.org. Ask for VT Rajshekar’s “Dalit Voice”, and you can easily get it in your city if you do a little search. VT Rajshekar calls the Brahmins cunning – and it’s an irony that his so called “Brahmin-ruled” India hasn’t banned his books and magazine.
The Role of Media and Non-Muslims in Converting Muslim Women to Other Faiths
It’s high time that media highlights the pathetic condition of Muslim women across the globe. Let not get swayed away by the baseless rants of these hypocrites. Dalitism for them is a money-making affair. The best leaders of dalits were people like Buddha, Guru Nanak, Sufiyan Thuri, Hazrat Khwaja Garib Nawaz, Sant Ravidas, Baba Bulleh Shah, Sri Ramakrishna… who really strove for an egalitarian society… without making their life-goal a money making business. At least, they were not hypocrites.
In the end, I’d reiterate that the real dalits of India are Muslim women. They hardly have any say in anything. True liberation can only come if non-Muslims come forward to help them. Their plight is more religious than economic. They have been victims of the lop-sided and prejudiced teachings of Koran that has pushed them much behind their own men-folk (who are already behind other men of their age) in terms of education and better lifestyle. True revolution can only come if Muslim women marry non-Muslims. Christians can play a more important role. Missionaries can come forward and attract Muslim women to their fold. Secular Christian education can really go a long way in improving the status of Muslim women. Hindus need to be more liberal in converting people to their faith. There is serious lack of missionary zeal among Hindu organizations – most of them are only indolent outfits busy stopping converts to Christianity. I strongly feel that the plight of Muslim women can improve only if both Hindus and Christians come forward to uplift them. The Sikhs and Buddhists can also play important roles. Buddhists have far more missionary zeal compared to Hindus. Moreover, many Buddhists and Christians in India are non-vegetarians. This would facilitate easy conversion of Muslim women to their faiths. Let us come forward to help the really deserving dalits – the Muslim women who have been victims of worst kind of gender bias for centuries.
Mrs. Haseena Khatun, MA
Editor, Khawatein Voice
http://www.khawatein.blogspot.com
Khawatein Voice said
In his editorial, “How to Exterminate Muslims in India” (Dalit Voice, May, 16-31 1999, as read from source http://www.themodernreligion.com/assault/india-ext.html, accessed on Dec 2, 2007), VT Rajshekar talks about the causative factors behind the decline of Islam in Spain. Islam had been in existence for more than 700 years in that country and this Editor of Bangalore-based Dalit Voice is more depressed and saddened about the abrupt fall of Mohammedanism than even an orthodox Spanish Muslim residing in Spain. He blames the Christians for wiping out the Muslim populace of that country and feels that the Hindus of India are also following the same course – discreetly wiping out Muslims. It’s a different matter that percentage population of Muslims has been on the rise ever since India became independent in 1947. The Muslim population of India has more than tripled (please refer the table alongside). And VT Rajshekar of Dalit Voice talks about their extermination!
If you look at the world around you, and do an impartial analysis, you’d find that more than 80% of the violence is perpetrated by “Muslim Men”. And VT Rajshekar of Dalit Voice, Bangalore feels that the Muslim men are oppressed! How can you call “oppressors” as “oppressed”? Either you are mentally unsound, or else you are a person of easy character who is fed and bribed to speak lies. In his said article, “How to Exterminate Muslims in India” VT Rajshekar has emphasized how Ferdinand’s government eliminated Muslim influence from Spain. This is partially true. However, VT Rajshekar has blind eye towards all those innumerable instances where Muslim men wiped out (and still doing) non-Islamic cultures and influences. On his family front (apologies here), this man is not bothered about his own son living in US (the country whom he despises so much)… but feels empathetic towards the Muslims of Spain as if they are his own step brothers.
Here, I would not like to waste my time in furnishing a word to word response to his vituperative, skewed, baseless and concocted writings. After all, the writer gets so much unaccounted petrodollars and doles from mid-east. [Read my post, “Dalit Voice: Minting Money in the Name of Dalits]. I am providing you all links to few articles that will simply invalidate and nullify the statements he made in support of “oppressed Islam” and “oppressed Muslims” in the said article. Make sure you explore and read all the links.
Thanks!
Haseena Khatun
Editor, Khawatein Voice.
LIE – VT Rajshekar (Dalit Voice) Says Hindus are Eliminating Muslims from India
TRUTH– 1. Muslims are Breeding Faster than Hindus (Islam is NOT popular – Islam breeds faster…) 2. Muslims are eliminating non-Muslims (Kafirs) everywhere 3. India is secular because of Hindus
In support of above TRUTH and against above LIE, read the following articles:
(1) Dr D.P. Sharma, Agenda Census – demography and unity, Organiser (Oct 10, 2004), http://organiser.org/dynamic/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=45&page=44
(2) Koenraad Elst, The Muslim birth rate, http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/books/demogislam/part3.html(3) Must read: Being a non-Muslim under Islamic rule: The theory and the reality, http://www.answering-islam.org/NonMuslims/index.htm
(4) Sudheer Birodkar, Religious Tolerance and Secularism in India, http://www.hindubooks.org/sudheer_birodkar/hindu_history/secularroots.html
PARTIAL TRUTH – Ferdinand’s government eliminated Muslim influence from Spain
TRUTH – Muslims have wiped out innumerable indigenous customs and cultures in the name of Islam (How can they expect better treatment from followers of other faiths?)
In support of above TRUTH, read the following articles:
(1) Vrindavan Das, Modern Islam: A Culture of Crybabies, http://www.vnn.org/editorials/ET0110/ET28-6935.html, October 28, 2001
(2) Sudheer Birodkar, Islam, http://www.hindubooks.org/sudheer_birodkar/hindu_history/islam.html,
(3) Fitzgerald: Persecution of Christians in the Muslim world, http://jihadwatch.org/archives/004893.php, February 1, 2005
(4) Read and explore this comprehensive site: http://www.geocities.com/arabracismandislamicjihad/index.html
LIE – VT Rajshekar (Dalit Voice) says Gandhi was casteist and anti-Muslim
TRUTH – Gandhi (Mahatma or “saint” as he was called) was a liberal human being who loved Muslims more than Hindus
In support of above TRUTH, read the following articles:
(1) V Sundaram, Gandhi, the Moulana of Muslim appeasement-I, http://www.newstodaynet.com/2006sud/06dec/2612ss2.htm
(2) V Sundaram, Gandhi, the Moulana of Muslim appeasement-II, http://www.newstodaynet.com/2006sud/06dec/2712ss1.htm
PARTIAL TRUTH – Upper caste Hindus have oppressed low caste Hindus
TRUTH – Muslims have oppressed all non-Muslims everywhere… and their own Muslim women… frequently, always…
In support of above TRUTH, read the following articles:
(1) Mahfuzur Rahman, Violence, terror, and Islam: A plea to abandon the cocoon, http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/Mahfuzur30411.htm
(2) Amil Imani, Islam is the Enemy of Freedom, http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1611
(3) Sujit Das, A Vacuum with Nipples, http://www.islam-watch.org/SujitDas/VacuumNipples.htm, 03 October, 2006
(4) Read and explore this comprehensive site: http://www.geocities.com/arabracismandislamicjihad/index.html
LIE – Islam Has No Castes and Sects
TRUTH – Islam Has Several Castes and Sects
In support of above TRUTH, read the following articles:
(1) The Sects of Islam, http://contenderministries.org/islam/divisions.php
(2) Sher Khan, Golden Eggs of Rotten Islam: Freethinkers of Islam, http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=651&theme=Printer, Apr 01, 2005
(3) Read and explore this comprehensive site: http://www.geocities.com/arabracismandislamicjihad/index.html
LIE –Roads in India Are In The Name of Only Upper Caste Hindus
TRUTH – The Above Lie Is A Third-Rate Joke!
Think of any Dalit or Muslim, put the word “road” or “nagar” (colony) as suffix and do a search on Google along with the word “India”. I can’t cite one example… there are thousands…
LIE – There are No Dalits in Islam
TRUTH – Islam has More Dalits than Any Other Religion
Dalit means oppressed. And this word is more misused than any other word on earth. [Read my blog post, "Islam, Pseudo Dalitism and the Philosophy of Hipocrisy"]. Read and explore this comprehensive site for details on slavery and oppression in Islam: http://www.geocities.com/arabracismandislamicjihad/index.html
LIE – Hinduism is Brahminism
TRUTH – Islam is Arab Imperialism
(1) Koenraad Elst, Who is a Hindu?, http://www.voiceofdharma.com/books/wiah/
(2) Anwar Shaik, Islam: The Arab Imperialism, http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Stadium/5142/anwarislam.html
Mrs. Haseena Khatun
Khawatein Voice http://www.khawatein.blogspot.com
Khawatein Voice said
In his editorial, “How to Exterminate Muslims in India” (Dalit Voice, May, 16-31 1999, as read from source http://www.themodernreligion.com/assault/india-ext.html, accessed on Dec 2, 2007), VT Rajshekar talks about the causative factors behind the decline of Islam in Spain. Islam had been in existence for more than 700 years in that country and this Editor of Bangalore-based Dalit Voice is more depressed and saddened about the abrupt fall of Mohammedanism than even an orthodox Spanish Muslim residing in Spain. He blames the Christians for wiping out the Muslim populace of that country and feels that the Hindus of India are also following the same course – discreetly wiping out Muslims. It’s a different matter that percentage population of Muslims has been on the rise ever since India became independent in 1947. The Muslim population of India has more than tripled (please refer the table alongside). And VT Rajshekar of Dalit Voice talks about their extermination!
If you look at the world around you, and do an impartial analysis, you’d find that more than 80% of the violence is perpetrated by “Muslim Men”. And VT Rajshekar of Dalit Voice, Bangalore feels that the Muslim men are oppressed! How can you call “oppressors” as “oppressed”? Either you are mentally unsound, or else you are a person of easy character who is fed and bribed to speak lies. In his said article, “How to Exterminate Muslims in India” VT Rajshekar has emphasized how Ferdinand’s government eliminated Muslim influence from Spain. This is partially true. However, VT Rajshekar has blind eye towards all those innumerable instances where Muslim men wiped out (and still doing) non-Islamic cultures and influences. On his family front (apologies here), this man is not bothered about his own son living in US (the country whom he despises so much)… but feels empathetic towards the Muslims of Spain as if they are his own step brothers.
Here, I would not like to waste my time in furnishing a word to word response to his vituperative, skewed, baseless and concocted writings. After all, the writer gets so much unaccounted petrodollars and doles from mid-east. [Read my post, “Dalit Voice: Minting Money in the Name of Dalits]. I am providing you all links to few articles that will simply invalidate and nullify the statements he made in support of “oppressed Islam” and “oppressed Muslims” in the said article. Make sure you explore and read all the links.
Thanks!
Haseena Khatun
Editor, Khawatein Voice.
LIE – VT Rajshekar (Dalit Voice) Says Hindus are Eliminating Muslims from India
TRUTH– 1. Muslims are Breeding Faster than Hindus (Islam is NOT popular – Islam breeds faster…) 2. Muslims are eliminating non-Muslims (Kafirs) everywhere 3. India is secular because of Hindus
In support of above TRUTH and against above LIE, read the following articles:
(1) Dr D.P. Sharma, Agenda Census – demography and unity, Organiser (Oct 10, 2004), http://organiser.org/dynamic/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=45&page=44
(2) Koenraad Elst, The Muslim birth rate, http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/books/demogislam/part3.html(3) Must read: Being a non-Muslim under Islamic rule: The theory and the reality, http://www.answering-islam.org/NonMuslims/index.htm
(4) Sudheer Birodkar, Religious Tolerance and Secularism in India, http://www.hindubooks.org/sudheer_birodkar/hindu_history/secularroots.html
PARTIAL TRUTH – Ferdinand’s government eliminated Muslim influence from Spain
TRUTH – Muslims have wiped out innumerable indigenous customs and cultures in the name of Islam (How can they expect better treatment from followers of other faiths?)
In support of above TRUTH, read the following articles:
(1) Vrindavan Das, Modern Islam: A Culture of Crybabies, http://www.vnn.org/editorials/ET0110/ET28-6935.html, October 28, 2001
(2) Sudheer Birodkar, Islam, http://www.hindubooks.org/sudheer_birodkar/hindu_history/islam.html,
(3) Fitzgerald: Persecution of Christians in the Muslim world, http://jihadwatch.org/archives/004893.php, February 1, 2005
(4) Read and explore this comprehensive site: http://www.geocities.com/arabracismandislamicjihad/index.html
LIE – VT Rajshekar (Dalit Voice) says Gandhi was casteist and anti-Muslim
TRUTH – Gandhi (Mahatma or “saint” as he was called) was a liberal human being who loved Muslims more than Hindus
In support of above TRUTH, read the following articles:
(1) V Sundaram, Gandhi, the Moulana of Muslim appeasement-I, http://www.newstodaynet.com/2006sud/06dec/2612ss2.htm
(2) V Sundaram, Gandhi, the Moulana of Muslim appeasement-II, http://www.newstodaynet.com/2006sud/06dec/2712ss1.htm
PARTIAL TRUTH – Upper caste Hindus have oppressed low caste Hindus
TRUTH – Muslims have oppressed all non-Muslims everywhere… and their own Muslim women… frequently, always…
In support of above TRUTH, read the following articles:
(1) Mahfuzur Rahman, Violence, terror, and Islam: A plea to abandon the cocoon, http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/Mahfuzur30411.htm
(2) Amil Imani, Islam is the Enemy of Freedom, http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1611
(3) Sujit Das, A Vacuum with Nipples, http://www.islam-watch.org/SujitDas/VacuumNipples.htm, 03 October, 2006
(4) Read and explore this comprehensive site: http://www.geocities.com/arabracismandislamicjihad/index.html
LIE – Islam Has No Castes and Sects
TRUTH – Islam Has Several Castes and Sects
In support of above TRUTH, read the following articles:
(1) The Sects of Islam, http://contenderministries.org/islam/divisions.php
(2) Sher Khan, Golden Eggs of Rotten Islam: Freethinkers of Islam, http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=651&theme=Printer, Apr 01, 2005
(3) Read and explore this comprehensive site: http://www.geocities.com/arabracismandislamicjihad/index.html
LIE –Roads in India Are In The Name of Only Upper Caste Hindus
TRUTH – The Above Lie Is A Third-Rate Joke!
Think of any Dalit or Muslim, put the word “road” or “nagar” (colony) as suffix and do a search on Google along with the word “India”. I can’t cite one example… there are thousands…
LIE – There are No Dalits in Islam
TRUTH – Islam has More Dalits than Any Other Religion
Dalit means oppressed. And this word is more misused than any other word on earth. [Read my blog post, "Islam, Pseudo Dalitism and the Philosophy of Hipocrisy"]. Read and explore this comprehensive site for details on slavery and oppression in Islam: http://www.geocities.com/arabracismandislamicjihad/index.html
LIE – Hinduism is Brahminism
TRUTH – Islam is Arab Imperialism
(1) Koenraad Elst, Who is a Hindu?, http://www.voiceofdharma.com/books/wiah/
(2) Anwar Shaik, Islam: The Arab Imperialism, http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Stadium/5142/anwarislam.html
Mrs. Haseena Khatun, MA
Editor, Khawatein Voice http://www.khawatein.blogspot.com
Meharban James said
III A/ 145, Rachana, Vashali – 201010 (NCR)
Email: francispclm@yahoo.com website: dalitchristian.org
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January 04, 2008
An Open Letter of the Dalit Christians to Hon’ble Prime Minister of India,
Indian Parliamentarians and Indian Church Authorities
The Hon’ble Prime Minister,
152, South Block,
New Delhi -110 011
Wish you Happy Christmas and New Year.
For the last several decades, the Indian Church Authorities and its Leaders at National and International level have been subtly pressurizing the Indian Government to make suitable amendments in the Constitution to include converted Dalit Christians in the list of Schedule Castes. Our Constitution founders and framers had seen the validity of assuring equality and respect to Dalit Hindus in their Hindu fold, while they were not clear as to the implications of the same with Dalit Christians. Hence they formulated the provision for Hindu Dalit reservation for Schedule Caste in the Constitution. The Hindu community as a majority of peoples accepted reservations as a just and fair provision. Thus the Indian constitution gave equal right to the Dalit Hindus because they suffered ill treatment and were oppressed in the society over the centuries. It was a fair and just compensation to the Dalit Hindus for the exploitation done to them.
While Dalit Hindus- who were converted to Christianity- lost their privilege of reservation policy and thus they were not included in the list of Schedule Caste. The Converted Dalit Christians had ‘an historic option’ to decide whether to accept their original religion-Hinduism and return to their community and thus avail the facility of Schedule Caste but most of the Dalit Christians forsook the reservation policy and they decided to remain Dalit Christians (DC) mainly because DCs fondly recalled the words of Jesus Christ: “Come to me, all of you who labor and are burdened, and I will give you rest.” (Mt Ch. 11:28)
Over the decades, the Church Authorities and Leaders belittled the faith of DCs., Besides, the Lords of Christendom- the Bishops, had already condescendingly accepted and treated the DCs as low grade Christians- reminiscent of their ‘original stigma’-untouchables. This subtly implied that DCs should never forget who they were and that it is thanks to valiant, foreign missionaries efforts that they still can be treated as second class followers of Christianity. Thus Church Authorities maintained a clear distinction between ‘those of the earlier accepted the Christian faith and thus possessed a superior grade/class and a superior faith’ and those traits should be preserved till reward day of the Master. Keeping this as a background check, the Indian Church Authorities deemed it fit that Dalit Christians remain uneducated lot, and they were not given proper and equal right for gainful employment least they be filled with a false pride of being true Christians. Notice the subtle distinction and statements of Church authorities when it comes to the game of numbers. DCs who form over 70% of the Christians population should be a’ feather in the cap’ of the numerous foreign missionaries who descended in hordes triumphantly dreaming that one day the whole of India would be Christianized.
Further, the line of thinking of Church Authorities can be described thus: DCs ought to get proper compensation in lieu of governmental benefits they lost is ‘an unchristian consideration’- this would spoil ‘their Christian motivation’. Thus, it was clear to the Bishops and Church Authorities that any such talk of compensation made to DCs is unheard of biblical remedy. Hence DCs should remain poor and despicable to as proof of their newly accepted ‘superior faith’. Moreover, the secular Indian Government should be taught a lesson or two -especially the lesson that it is the ‘duty and responsibility’ of the Indian Government to make appropriate provisions for DCs? And that ‘we the Bishops’ if needed, are ready to fight tooth and nail to see that the Indian Government implements and practices what is enshrined in the Constitution of India. The Government should be blamed squarely because they care two hoots for the plight of the DC while they are pampering the other Dalits with innumerable concessions all for political gain. And why should Church Authorities and leaders make suitable provisions for their own least brethren was beyond the comprehension of the great Lords of Christendom.
In just four hundred years the Christian population grew in leaps and bounds, the Indian Church’s with the selfless efforts of foreign missionaries added millions to the zero percentage of Christians in India. But no Church Authority ever even noticed that the plight of those numerous DCs remained the same. Nay over the decades it worsened. Hence what was and is the primary intention of the pious missionaries becomes clear. Indian Church Authorities and Leaders merely used DCs in a game of numbers and scarcely gave a passing thought to improve the living conditions of DC. The DCs were never or rather deliberately kept out mainstream Christianity and thus they were unable to experience progress and growth in their Christian living even though they had full membership in the various Churches.
Notice this fact, when it came to the ‘battle of equal rights for all Dalits’ the Indian Church Authorities deemed it fit to wage a battle with the mind of Constitution founders and framers. And the battle did begin as early as or as soon as India gained independence. In their heart of hearts the Church Authorities and Leaders wanted that DCs to be loyal Christians and remain faithful members of their respective Churches and yet when it came to the matter of improvement in the standard of living, all their sound reasoning and superior faith failed them. Even an ‘ordinary statements of the assets’ of the Indian Churches- like enumerating the thousands of Christians Schools , Colleges and large compounds, and thousands of other allied majestic institutions like Hospitals and other social work Institutes will show the might of Indian Church wealth. It is well known that Indian Church Authorities have wealth ‘second to none’ in terms of immovable assets and finances. And note – this second to none is in comparison with the Government of India.
Besides, in the name of DCs and poor, the Church gets flooded with funds both from within country and from abroad. And most ironical- the condition of DCs remains as poor as the proverbial Church mouse. Do all these the funds instantaneously disappear into the incredible mouth of Bishop Pip? (Please view the Documentary-‘In search of self respect’, produced by PSBT and Prasar Bharti. http://www.syncline films.com). The Mighty Indian Churches have conveniently divided India and with the magical wand of the Pope and other Church Authorities, have created around 250 to 300 dioceses in the country in order to smoothly run and manage their vast properties and institutions. A diocese may have average around fifty thousand followers. Based on their own methods of mission management: aren’t the Indian Church Authorities and Leaders responsible for the sorry state of affair of DCs? Why is the Indian Church constantly harping on the same old tune that Indian secularism is at stake when they themselves like Pilate constantly wash off their hands regarding a sound and just policy of justice for their least brethren- the Dalit Christians( DC)?.
Why are the Church Authorities forcing our Parliamentarians to debate on the scheduled caste status of DCs? It is for all to see who has a hidden agenda. It is for the Church Authorities to honestly provide a ‘white paper’ on their fabulous wealth and what have they done to alleviate the sufferings of the least of their brethren- the Dalit Christians.
To all Indian Bishops
The open letter is now addressed to the Presidents of the Catholic Bishop’s Conference of India, of the National Council for Churches in India, Church of South India, Anglicans, Methodists, CNI, and all Bishops of all Christian Denominations.
Most Rt. Rev. Bishops,
Happy Christmas and New Year,
Over the last several decades, the Catholic Bishops Conference of India, National Council for Churches in India, all the Protestant Churches and all the Christian foreign funding agencies were and are trying their best to amend the legislation of inclusion in Scheduled Caste status for Dalit Christians. You had several ‘ high level meetings and conferences at National and International level; and you were seen frantically appointing the best legal luminaries to see that DC are included in the list of scheduled caste thus securing a new heaven and a new earth for DCs.
It was reported in the newspapers that your Grace and Lordship have graciously come down to the earth in New Delhi- the National Capital on November 29th 2007. You staged a Dharna for inclusion of DCs into Scheduled Caste status. When your Grace and Lordship, and predecessors converted Dalits from the Hindu society, the main attractions offered to them was that there was no caste discrimination in the Christian society and that they would be treated equally as brothers in Christ. It was with this hope of an ‘egalitarian status’ within the Christian community that the poor Dalits converted themselves to Christianity. If they are still Dalits the question is who has been oppressing them of late, it is true that when they were in the Hindu society they were oppressed by caste system that existed in that society. But was it not a solemn pledge before God and man that these converted Christians would be looked after without any discrimination and with Christian love and sharing?
There is an answer to this question. Obviously, it is the Church Authorities and Leaders who are exploiting the DCs. If only the Church Authorities can spend twenty five per cent of the Church income for the welfare of DCs, surely there will be a great change in the lives of DCs. If only the Church Authorities can give fifty percent of employment in their institutions to the DCs we believe that within ten years, all the DCs will have employment. But alas- the Church Authorities only gives all employment to and give important posts to the priests, nuns etc. Notice that you are creating fatted calves and bestowing on them privileges upon privileges to merely a small class of clergy and superior Christians.
You are seeing the speck in the eyes of Constitution founders and framers but fail to see the mote in your own eyes? For centuries the Church Authorities are merely filling up the barns for a minuscular clergy and pampering them into a parasitical life, while you ignore the cries and agonies of the discriminated DCs. For these very poor, Jesus has said, “The spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has chosen me to bring good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captive’s recovery of sight to the blind, to set free the oppressed and announce that the year of remission, reward and restoration. Confer, Luke Chapter 4; 16-19.”
Poor Christian Liberation Movement appeals to the Church Authorities and solemnly asks these questions. Why after converting DCs into the Christian fold you have constantly denied and deprived them of proper education facilities, of just employment, and generous financial support? And why do you not give proper Christian respect for DCs? Why do you not offer equal rights to DCs in the Church life? Why are you constantly using DCs as pawns to show the might of your own Empire and missionary prowess? Why hasn’t the Christian sense of giving compensation to DCs never even once crossed the minds of the all powerful and wealthy Church Authorities? Why are you playing the role of going around the devils ring by leaving DCs to the mercy of Indian Government? Why are you not fulfilling your responsibility toward DCs? You must remember the solemn words spoken to Peter Simon. Jesus said to Peter Simon: “If you love me then take care of my lambs and sheep (St John 21:15-17) .And even St. Paul emphatically said this of himself: that he was imprisoned, that he was beaten many times, faced difficulties, was in odd situations, worked hard, spent sleepless nights, many times without food and water, and besides other things, I am under daily pressure because of my anxiety for all the congregations. Who is weak and I am not weak? (2 Corinthians Ch 11: 23-29). Can all the Bishops honestly say that they have fulfilled their responsibility towards Dalit Christians?
May the all the respected Bishop dare to say- YES. Amen.
Thank you.
Yours in Christ,
R.L. Francis
National President
And all Executive Members of PCLM
Email: francispclm@yahoo.com
abb said
happyhindu said
Stripes said
It is Hinduism. If people don’t do something about the caste system, people will convert to Christianity. People will convert to Islam. I hope more people speak up, we need to abolish this crappy caste system. Its not only the dalits who need to speak up, so do the Hindus. Okay this is all I have to say.
C.L.CHUMBER said
Mr./Mrs./Miss Stripes asked about the true enemy of Hinduism .He/she gave answer that it is Hinduism .The real question is that the Hinduism is enemy of whom .Why is Hinduism the enemy of the aboriginals of the Indian sub-continent ? The root cause,begining time , the founders and hereditary prapounders of this evil must be recoded in the court of law.
Mr./ Mrs./Miss stripes cautioned that if the people do not do something about this caste system,people will convert to Islam and Christianity .Is conversion to any recognised non-Hindu religion is.a genuan solution of this problem ? Is there no caste system ? In Punjab,so-called upper caste Sikhs opposed the Adi-dharam mandal `s resurgent mission to uplift the ex-untouchables .They upper caste Sikhs produced Sikh untouchables under an untouchable poet Sadhu Daya Singh Arif that there is no untouchability among the Sikhs.They submitted memorandum to Lord Lothian comitee ( Franchise comitee ) in Oct. 1928. After the partition of India ,Master Tara Singh so-called upper caste Sikh leader admitted publicaly that the untouchability exists in the Sikh society and demanded reservation for Sikh SCs. DR.Ambedkar converted to Buddhism but his SCs Buddist followers also got reservation like Hindu and Sikh SCs by admitting that they are still untouchables.Christian and Muslim untouchables are also demanding SCs status .Then what is the difference between the Hindu SCs and the recognised non-Hindu SCS ? Sayyed Shahabudin opposed reservation for Muslim OBCs and S.Simarnajit Singh Maan opposed reservation for Sikh OBCs .WHY ? This shows that the recognised non-Hindu religions also failed to annihilate the caste ? The functions of a sword will depend on the bent of mind of the person who holds it or his master`s bent of mind ! Alas mind have lost in the Indian sub-continental !1 The slaves must enhance their mind power till they gre liberated !
Cool said
You say:
~Why is Hinduism the enemy of the aboriginals of the Indian sub-continent ? ~
Who are the aboriginals of the Indian Sub-Continent? Dalits? I can prove to you that I come from a haplogroup that was the first to migrate out of Africa and occupy India. I can also prove to you that several brahmins come from the same ancient migratory group as I. If you are aboriginal, so am I. And Hindusim is not my enemy.
C. L . CHUMBER said
DEAR Cool ji ,
Sawami Vivekanand ji said ,” It is difficult to define what is Hinduism and who is Hindu !” Please do research on the definition of your religion`s name .This word has no roots in the four Vedas , eighteen Puranas ,simiritis,Valmiki ramayna,Mahabharta etc.The Hindu philosophy of varna system is out of date in a civilized universe which recommends rapists , racist and fascist personalities as Gods .Please read Gandhi , Nehru ,Tilak who admitted that they are foreigner Aryans .Now the Aryans say that the Arya means the high quality people .The Dayanand Anglo Vedic name of colleges establishes that they are now speaking / writing wrong .Please also read books on ancient history of India . Please come with reasoning , proofs and kind heart towards the fellow Indians to annihilate varna system and caste system .The people of Japan got rid of like this system and is the world power .Why is India not world power ?
Shantaram said
There is no Caste System in the constitution of India. Also, the only caste system present in the constitution is because of the reservation policy. However I do agree that caste exists when people talk of marriage and things like that. Also one more thing it is more of a cumminty and clannish thing which is there in every fuedal soceity.
You should be concentrating on removing fuedalism rather than bashing up whole sections of people. That will only result in more division and violence. And beleive me the so called upper caste whom you bash will not so easily take your hate agenda.
Now if you really want to see the end of caste system then look into the urban area model and try to apply this to the rural parts of India. But who is concerned about solutions here. All you need is some cheap freebies.
happyhindu said
You say
~Tilak who admitted that they are foreigner Aryans. Now the Aryans say that the Arya means the high quality people .The Dayanand Anglo Vedic name of colleges establishes that they are now speaking / writing wrong. Please also read books on ancient history of India.~
Do you know who is an Aryan?
A noble man of noble thoughts.
A man who seeks to serve – A man of noble deeds.
A man who knows art of loving and allowing himslef to be loved in return – A man respected by his brethern.
Aryan is not a race.
After various tribes intermingled, civilization developed with people establishing cities and studying various things to understand them. Aryan was a word given to those who established themselves as the nobles, men of learning and valorous men of those kingdoms. They came from the same tribal admixtures as everyone else did. YOU ARE AN ARYAN AS MUCH AS EVERY SINGLE INDIAN IS. For all you know, a brahmin may be more tribal in origin than you – and certainly tehre are such members in their populations. So, get yourself tested before you speak.
Ancient ‘brahmins’ or men of learning were recruited from all occupational groups — fishermen, hunters, and so on. Both Vashista and Agastya were born to Urvashi (a prostitute or a coutesan in Indra’s court) from different fathers (Mitra and Varuna). Rishi Parashara was the son of a Chandala woman. VedVyasa was the son of a fisherwoman. Rishi Valmiki was from a family of hunters. In what way is the ancestry of any brahmin different from that of the rest of the Indians?
I agree there will always be bad apples in a basket. And you might find a good many so called brahmins who nurture superficial learning of the scriptures and rituals rather than reflect values or kindness in their words and deeds. But are you going to hate all brahmins because of a few bad apples? Nobody gave brahmins the exclusive rights to the dharma professed by many huge population groups in the ancient past. Neither is anyone asking you to do so now. So are you going to label the whole religion wrong because of a few so called brahmins?
happyhindu said
You say
~The Hindu philosophy of varna system is out of date in a civilized universe which recommends rapists , racist and fascist personalities as Gods.~
Who are rapists, racists and fascists Gods you are talking about? Let me know and I shall try to explain in the best terms I can.
If you hate brahmins, please keep it there. Nobody has any right to ask anyone to leave their hatered without finding out where exactly in their lives that hatered is coming from. But just because you hate brahmins, why do you hate the religion?
C. L . CHUMBER said
Dear Happy Hindu ,
Please read the all ten articles of this Dalit-nation blog and my writings in this esteemed blog , you will know the names of rapist , racist and fascist Gods with references .You cannot explain me regarding these Gods. We will submit applications in the supreme court of India. separately.I will establish them as rapist , racist and fascist GODS You may get clean chit for them from the court . We must have judicious minds to solve uor sweet country`s problems .
I neither hate Brahmins nor Hinduism.I hate theirs actions in ancient to till date . .I also hate equally my people who do not retaliate quickly to get human rights being human beings.Please understand our problems and co-operate uss to solve them .
hh said
I can understand your pain. And I am sorry that we as a society are not doing enough for you at the social level.
Again am sorry, but what you understand about hindusim is completely different from what i understand. I pray that i remain a hindu in all my births; no matter in which continent it is.
The only things I can do is to i) continue to not believe in the caste system and never apply caste to anyone, and to ii) contribute in whatever ways i can to the betterment of the downtrodden (irrespective of caste) – monetarily mostly and whenever possible, as a volunteer with institutions that do this.
Thankyou.
C. L . CHUMBER said
Dear Shantaram ji ,
I read your views,”there is no caste.system in the constitution of India.Also,the only caste system is present in the constitution is because of the reservation policy .” I appreciate your views.I am quite ready to give befitting reply as below .
( I ) Please tell the castes /varna of your paternal as well as maternal grandparents
( 2 ) Please also tell your parents` caste/varna .
( 3 ) Please also tell your wife`s caste/varna .
( 4 ) Please also tell castes/varna of your sisters`husbands .
( 5 ) Please also tell the castes/varna of your brothers` wives .
Was there no caste before this constitution ? Will there be no caste after scraping this reservation ? If all the reserved catagories took poison in mass, then the caste will be annihilated ?
You already admitted that people talk of caste at marriage . But you did not told for what purpose .We should be clear hearted and judicious mind when we talk about such a hazardous disease .Only the bearer knows where the shoes pinches .There are thousands and thousands religious places on caste basis .There are thousands and thousands localities on caste basis in every village , town and city.There are separate caste based cremation grounds in every village,town and cities .There are thousands of titles of books on caste. In India respect and disrespect is on caste/varna basis .Even the non-resident-Indians imported the caste to their native country.They built big religious places on caste basis .There are thousands and thousands registered societies on caste basis.There are caste basis educational colleges and institutions in every town and city .
The Aryans gave reservation to SCs to allure them to convert to Hinduism . That is why they fixed a clause for SCs to be Hindu to get reservation .Now the SCs of Buddhist and Sikh religions can also avail reservation.Why not reservation for Muslim , Christian SCs ? Is our constitution secular ? Why not amended the constitution to scrap the religion clause for reservation.
One day Govt. will annihilate the caste/varna systems by banning worshiping rapist , racist and fascist Gods as untouchablity is banned .I hope that our India will be caste/varna free ! Then there will be a true independence in India .Mr. Shantaram ji will be happy when there will be no caste/ varna feelings .A brahmin will marry his daughter to a chamar caste boy,a kshatry will marry his daughter to a chuhra caste boy and a vaish will marry his daughter to a chandal caste boy and vice versa !!!!!
C. L . CHUMBER said
ONE DAY HE WILL ALSO DARE TO DENOUNCE RAPIST,RACIST & FASCIST GODS!
RESPECTED HINDU BOY@ LAVNYA JI ,
I appreciate your views ( 17th May 2008 @ 9.56 am ) in which your good self dared to refrain from caste system.I hereby reproduce your views so that the viewers of the Dalit-Nation may concentrate their attention on this marvelous development which may be a mile stone in the socio-religious history of India :-
” Chumber,
I can understand your pain. And I am sorry that we as a society are not doing enough for you at the social level.
Again am sorry, but what you understand about hindusim is completely different from what i understand. I pray that i remain a hindu in all my births; no matter in which continent it is.
The only things I can do is to i) continue to not believe in the caste system and never apply caste to anyone, and to ii) contribute in whatever ways i can to the betterment of the downtrodden (irrespective of caste) – monetarily mostly and whenever possible, as a volunteer with institutions that do this.
Thankyou.”
I ( c.l. chumber ) am very much delighted to read this .This is due to the Dalit-Nation blog which surfaced the varied views to come to some conclusions.I congratulate the administrators ,viewers and Mr. Happy Hindu @ Lavnya for this soothing development.
I have full faith that one day our country will denounce this filthy caste/ varna system based on inequality in practice as well as worshiping rapist , racist and fascist so called gods. Our country-persons will discover new ethical ideals in ancient,medieval and modern periods so that our coming generations will feel proud of the new ideals.Wish you all good luck ! Thanks.
C.L.CHUMBER said
Dear Happy Hindu @ Lavanya ,
You asked me a question ” Do you know who is an Aryan ? ” ( May 15,2008, @ 11.05 am ) .Again you wrote :-
” A noble man of noble thoughts .
A man who seeks to serve – A man of noble deeds .
A man who knows art of living .and allowing himself to be loved in return
A man respected by his brethern .
Aryan is not a race ! ”
Now let us discuss one by one .Is a person noble and his / her thought is noble who is rapist , racist and fascist or is a follower of like this person ? Do the brahmins serve the shudras ? Govt. had to pass acts to curb the so called noble men ( Aryans ) who behave with dalits as untouchables .
A man who divides the society in four varnas and thousands castes is implementing the art of gradation and degradation .Who will love and respect him / her ?
Aryan is a race that is why they do not marry with non-Aryans .They created and still maintain their varna system and caste system .Thanks. .
C,L.CHUMBER said
Respected Happy Hindu @ Lavnya ,
Your good self wrote ( May 15 , 2008 @ 11.05 am ) as below :-
” Ancient ‘brahmins’ or men of learning were recruited from all occupational groups — fishermen, hunters, and so on. Both Vashista and Agastya were born to Urvashi (a prostitute or a coutesan in Indra’s court) from different fathers (Mitra and Varuna). Rishi Parashara was the son of a Chandala woman. VedVyasa was the son of a fisherwoman. Rishi Valmiki was from a family of hunters. In what way is the ancestry of any brahmin different from that of the rest of the Indians? ”
Dear Lavnya , this means that the Indira`s court had prostitutes .
Indira was also a lecher . He intercoursed with Ahallya wife of rishi Gautam.
When the rishi Gautam came to know about the illicit relations of Indira with his wife Ahallya , he cursed his wife as well as Indira..How many men intercourse with a prostitute lady.How can we determine the father of a child of a prostitute lady ? You did not write the names of fathers of rishi Parashara .and Ved Vyasa.
We ask you why the brahmins declared a handsome of population as untouchables and the govt. had to declare it an offence ! Why did the brahmin
community not pay due regards to Ved Vyasa and Valmiki ?
hh said
Forget brahmins, why don’t you target non-brahmins who praticed untouchability in the ancient past.
Brahmins have always been too small in numbers, while non-brahmins are a lot more in population size. So in terms of the number of people who practiced untouchability, your anger should be directed towards the non-brahmins for they were the ones who in fact ruled and were law-givers. Even today, the biggest population sizes that ‘maintain the caste system ‘are not brahmins but the non-brahmins by way of being people ‘who marry within their caste’. Can you see how misplaced your logic is?
Why are confusing marriage with caste system? Each caste has its own culture and everyone is comfortable within their own culture; so everyone marries within their own caste. Only if there is love, then nobody can interefere. But in general it is natural for anyone to seek a mate from the same culture for a life free from adjustment problems.
C,L.CHUMBER said
Dear Happy Hindu @ Lavnya ,
Your good self wrote ( June1,2008 @ 212pm) as below :-
Chumber,Forget brahmins, why don’t you target non-brahmins who praticed untouchability in the ancient past.*Brahmins have always been too small in numbers, while non-brahmins are a lot more in population size. So in terms of the number of people who practiced untouchability, your anger should be directed towards the non-brahmins for they were the ones who in fact ruled and were law-givers. Even today, the biggest population sizes that ‘maintain the caste system ‘are not brahmins but the non-brahmins by way of being people ‘who marry within their caste’. Can you see how misplaced your logic is? ”
Dear Lavnya ji ! Brahminism and capitalism are our two enemies.We have to take medicine for our malaria patient ,spray the finit on mosquito
larva,have to take other precautionary measurements.We have to invent the medicines to cure the brahminism and capitalism time to time.and take some precautionary measurements.If the brahmins will be ethically cultured ,then the others will also follow.If the brahmins will discard rapist,racist and fascist Gods , the non-brahmins will follow the sameThe brahmins have to take initiative because they are the gangotari of varna/caste system..I hope the intellectuals will solve the Indian problems.Thanks.
happyhindu said
A brahmin is one in the state of brahman (moksha). When such a brahmin chooses to come back to be born, he choose to be conceived in a mother who is not in a state of desire at the time of conception. And a father who’s mind is absorbed in God. The jaathi of the parents does not matter.
Generally these rishis are called manasa putras of Brahma because they are born out of the will of the Brahman (God) to fulfil a task. Rishi Parashara came back to be born to write Parashara smriti. And it is said that in fact in Kali yuga Parashara smriti should be followed and Manu smriti is only for Krita yuga. Ved vyas complied the vedas and he comes back to be born periodically. Without understanding these things, please do not try to find fault with anyone’s birth.
It is my mistake that i am not able to express long stories properly. Words are limited and cannot convey everything.
Who said brahmins do not pay regards to Ved vyas and Valmiki? They are very much hindu rishis.
hh said
When 2 kings fought, the one that lost was made to do menial jobs and treated as outcastes so that they do not re-group and fight back.
Shudras of south and Kshatriyas of north made former-kshatriya-populations as untouchables.
If you are dependent on varna for social status, so be it. Nobody is stopping you from calling yourself a kshatriya. Please go ahead and do it.
And stop blaming hinduism and brahmins.
C,L.CHUMBER said
happy hindu,
We hate to call ourselve shudra/ vaish / kshattry/brahmin .These are filthy terms based on racism and fascism .Your conception theory is irrational and unscientific as the varna and caste theories.Your thinking is neither rational nor constitutional .You please preach the theories of rapism,racism and fascism to glorify your rapist,racist and fascist Gods.
The hinduism and brahminism are filthy isms that is why the constitution is against its varna and caste systems.There is no founder of the Hinduism.Hinduism`s varna and caste systems are the main hurdles in the development of Indian society.LET US BURN IT OR ENTOMB .
hh said
I have never believed in any caste system; nor do i beleive in any isms or for that matter neither do i beleive in religion. What you understand as hindu is diff from my understanding. And my understanding of varna as brahminism is different from what it is understood as casteism. It is not casteism.
Varna is karma, what you make or set out to make. Jati is your occupation group. You can be born in any jati but varna depends a combination of several things: karma, vidhi, ability, guna, known and unknown innate proclivites, etc.
Anyways, guess there will always be people who like to look at only one side of the coin. So, such discussions go nowhere. Thanks for your time anyway.
God bless.
C,L.CHUMBER said
Dear Happy Hindu @ Lavnya,
Your goodself wrote (June 4, 2008 @ 8:46 am)as below : –
” Varna is karma, what you make or set out to make. Jati is your occupation group. You can be born in any jati but varna depends a combination of several things: karma, vidhi, ability, guna, known and unknown innate proclivites, etc.”
WE ARE OPPRESSED AND DEPRESSED BY VARNA,KARMA,SHARMA,HINDU-DHARMA.,THEREFORE WE HAVE TO BEWARE OF VARNA, KARMA,SHARMA AND HINDU-DHARMA.The chamar caste is in crores.Is leather profession is profitable for crores people.Is sweeping profession is hygenic for crores people by birth.Jati is not an occupation group,Then why not brahmins prefer to these menial and manual professions.Why do brahmins hate the labour class ? Why the brahmins worship an animal ( cow ) and discard the human beings ( shudras and women _? We don`t believe in the manuwadi vidhi,ability,guna etc.WE REJECT MANUWAD TOTALLY.We hate the manuwadi system as the brahmins hated/hate us the untochables.You are defending a filthy religion`s filthy varna/caste system.Thanks.
selvasharma said
selvasharma said
C,L.CHUMBER said
Dear Selvasharma ,
Your good self wrote ( June 9, 2008 @ 5:15 pm) ” NICE ONE” in response to my writing ( June 7, 2008 @ 2:39 am) under title ” BEWARE OF VARNA , KARMA , SHARMA AND HINDU DHARMA !!!!! ”
Mr.Sharma ji ! I am ex untouchable being the son ex untouchable parents.When we live at Delhi , in 1966 AD Guru Gobind Singh`s weapons were brought back in procession from U.K. Our family with other Sikh families of our locality went to welcome at Gurdwara Sis Ganj .In gurdwara ,I raised a slogan ,” JO BOLE SO NIRBHAI ,GURU RAVIDAAS MAHARAJ KI JAI ! ” Our neighbour Sikh lady slapped on my face .I was a child of only 8 years.I wept loudly.My brave respectful mother gave befitting reply by slapping on the face of same lady without any delay.I touched the feet of my mother and raised again the same slogan loudly than before.My daring father late Mr.Punjab Rai Chumber M.A.( Eco.),diploma in Russian asked the manager to return the gurvani of of our Adi-gurus Namdev,Ravidaas,Kabir,Sain,Mardana and many more in the Guru Granth Sahib,if you ban to glorifying our Adi-Gurus.The manager had to apologize.In November,1984 riots our family with active participation of locality protected the Sikhs.
We are rational and do not have grudge to any person and community .We hate the sickness not the patient . You will see that in the next 5 years with the active co-operation and co-ordination of the rational brahmins ,there will be a self imposed ban on the worshiping of rapist,racist and fascist so called Gods .The brahmins in past also discarded Brahma and Indira rapist Gods.The Hindus have no temple of rapist Brahma except one at PUSHKAR near Ajmer ( Rajasthan).There is no idol of rapist Vishnu in modern Hindu temples.The Hindus even the brahmins forget the fascist God Parshu Ram .
Let us reconstruct the Indian society on the foundations of equality , quality,equity,liberty,fratnity and justice to lead the universe for ” LIVE AND LET LIVE “. We must learn from the Japan ,the word power.
C,L.CHUMBER said
mesquiteice said
I think it is not worth your precious time to waste in on some charecters called gods that appear in old stories. A story will have all kinds of charecters so what? There is good and bad in everybody. This is just like abusing chamataka the fox for hassling poor animals(KALIA the Crow in TINKLE) .
Please read the story of Vrinda Devi properly if you have the time at http://www.vrindavan-dham.com/vrinda/tulasi-story.php
Dont create problems among people who are living peacefully. In order to respect yourself, repect others. Be strong and dont blame others for your problems. Each person is the root cause of all their problems.
However, i am unable to not appreciate your love and feelings for the downtrodden. Dont waste these high emotions to abuse one person or one community. Whate are the poor people going to get by that. Work Hard with ambition and everyone will succeed.
By the way please note that “EKALVYA” is more respected that Arjuna as far as personality is concerned. If you go to any worshop on MENTORING you will find only EKALVYA. Please note that this happened not only to ekalvya but also to karna, ashvaddhama etc. Any way all that is not going to help the needy people now.
Dont spoil them by teaching them teh habit of blaming others. It is not going to help you or help them.
Thanks,
James said
C,L.CHUMBER said
AND THEIR MINDLESS FOLLOWERS IS NOT WASTED !!!!!
Dear Mesquiteice ,
Your good self must know that the time spent on research of any disease or medicine is not wasted.You said (June 19, 2008 @ 1:12 pm):-
“I think it is not worth your precious time to waste in on some characters called gods that appear in old stories. A story will have all kinds of characters so what? There is good and bad in everybody.”
The story whether new or old when it impacts on millions that must be discussed.Brahma,Vishnu and his incarnations are not story.As you said that a story have a good and bad characters but the Vedik Hindus worship and glorify the rapists,racists and fascists characters as GODS.You said that there is good and bad in everybody.Are worshiping and glorifying rapists,racists and fascists good or bad deeds ?
You can not justify the injustice to Adi-bhagwan Eklavya by giving examples of Karna,Ashavthama.This is more serious issue.We must condemn Pandit Daronacharya.WE must have judicious minds.
mesquiteice said
Are worshiping and glorifying rapists,racists and fascists good or bad deeds ?
- BAD
As far as adibhagawan EKALAVYA is concerned, I 100% condemn Dronacharya.
But at the end what do we get? we can collectively say all these are bad, but the fact is that they do not matter.
For example, if someone says your friend is a bad guy, it is worth looking into the matter, but if someone says your great grandfathers friend was a bad guy, is it worth. That is what I meant.
DONT LIVE IN THE PAST. LIVE IN THE PRESENT
But some politicians who call themselves as social reformists will always try to tell us about past not about future. They want to make the baby cry and give milk. If the baby does not cry, they will make it cry and give milk. They will overfeed the baby and kill it. Then they will go the next baby.
Generation of our country and citizens have wasted time talking about others. we should use our time to come out of politics.
Be strong! Be Happy
h-h said
You are continuoulsy harping on the past.
Your poverty is not the result of hindusim, it is the result of all anti-hindus who looted India.
Hindusim is you and you are a part of it.
But be reminded that Vedic education is a seperate playing field. It requires calibre, adherence to tradition, self-initiative, and above all faith in God and thereby in oneself. You cannot expect to score 35% marks and then expect to be declared pass based on caste-reservation.
Looking at the way all of you are harping on this, if in case you are given the opportunity, it wud a curious scene to see how many can actually manage to pass (you are already misquoting the Gita repeatedly here).
And after all that effort, and display of all that calibre, your earnings will not be that great. You may prefer to study computer education and then push off to the US.
What do you get by attacking the religion and the culture-keeper?
ajay kumar said
WE WILL BE HAPPY TO GET THE ZERO MARKS IN VEDAS WHICH HAVE BEST BULL SHIT OF WORLD IN IT BASED ON ILLOGIC THINGS AND AS IT IS WRITTEN BY THE BEST BULL SHIT SCRIPT WRITERS OF THE WORLD
U PEOPLE GET THE GOOD RANKS IN EXAMS BECOZ OF UR GOOD SOCIO N ECONOMIC BACKGROUNDS.
U R JUST 15 % OF TOTAL POPULATION N U HAVE CAPTURED THE WHOLE( ABOUT 90 % ) CAREER FIELDS , HOW U WERE ABLE TO DO THIS JUST BECOZ OF UR SOUND BACKGROUND ( N U HAVE GOT THIS SOUND BACKGROUND BY MAKING OTHER PEOPLE DEPRIVED ).
BUT NOW TIME IS CHANGING N SOON U WILL NOT BE EVEN MANAGE TO GET A PASS , SO B READY FOR THAT .
INDIA WILL BECOME A DEVELOPED NATION SOON BECOZ U VAMPIRIES WILL BE VANISHED AWAY , N MAJORITY PEOPLE WILL RULE TO MAKE IT A WORLD POWER.
C,L.CHUMBER said
Dear Viewers ,
Mr. Happy Hindu @ h-h said (July 23, 2008 @ 4:44 am ) ,”Chumber-ji,You are continuously harping on the past. ” I am very much liberal , rational ,democrat ,daring to say the truth on the face with facts and figures .I have many many friends of Brahmin varna who are appreciating my this e-dialogue.They condemn and admit theirs forefathers ` faults .Dr.Bhim Rao Ram Ji Ambawdekar tried his best to purify Brahminism by lauching the Kala Ram Temple,Nasik entry and the Mahad Tank movements( both in Maharashtra ) .Dear Happy Hindu ! Your good self declared ,”Hindusim is you and you are a part of it.” Yes , we are part of Hinduism just like the residents of a neglected and rejected parts of a city ! You people treat your mouse , cows ,tortoise,fish and beer as sacred but you hate the SCs,STs,OBCs and Jatts as sub-human beings .A friendship and relationship flourishes among equals .Are we equals ? I am daring to say that if a person says that he belongs to a high caste he must be shot on the site and surrender to the police to annihilate the caste/varna systems for ever.
We are very much fed up with this non sense Hinduism which is actually Brahminism.This a system of socio-economic gradation and degradation .The Govt. must start a war against this religion to implement the constitution in true spirit otherwise the constitution will be a show piece .
Karthikeyan said
mesquiteice said
your goodself said
“I am daring to say that if a person says that he belongs to a high caste he must be shot on the site and surrender to the police to annihilate the caste/varna systems for ever”
Then, by your own logic, we should also shoot if a person says that he belongs to a low caste. isnt it
ajay kumar said
mesquiteice said
I normally dont analyse fictions and non fictions. However, since you seem to have a indepth knowledge of the Manu Smriti and Bhagavad Gita, i decided to read a copy of both in order to understand what you are saying.
I have not read the full Bhagavad Gita, but since you told that it mentions bad things about caste, I read a book and give below the meaning of verses 18.41 to 18.44 which talks about caste system.
18.41 The division of labor into the four categories — Braahmana, Kshatriya, Vaishya, and Shudra — is also based on the Gunas inherent in peoples’ nature (or the natural propensities, and not necessarily as one’s birth right), O Arjuna.
18.42 Those who have serenity, self control, austerity, purity, patience, honesty, knowledge, Self-realization, and belief in God are labeled as Braahmanas, the intellectuals.
18.43 Those having the qualities of heroism, vigor, firmness, dexterity, not fleeing from battle, charity, and administrative skills are called Kshatriyas, the protectors.
18.44 Those who are good in cultivation, cattle rearing, business, trade, and industry are known as Vaishyas. Those who do service and labor type work are classed as Shudras.
However, 18.45 clarifies as follows:-
18.45 One attains the highest perfection by devotion to one’s natural work. Listen to Me how one attains perfection while engaged in natural work.
EKALVAYA was definitely a kshatriya based on the above. I do not know how you call him a shudra.
Please let me know the specific verse which talks bad about women and a particular caste, so that we can find out the exact place and pinpoint the mistake and post it here so that everyone can see.
hh said
Thankyou for accepting that you are a part of hindusim.
Yes, you were neglected.
Will you blame others totally for that; and not understand your own role in bringing yourself to the present condition?
Yes ofcourse we are equals.
I agree with you – no one has any right to define the other as high or low.
Yesterday’s high is today’s low and today’s low will be tomorrow’s high. And that’s how the cycle of life has always been wheeling itself. It is inevitable, isn’t it?
ajay kumar said
BUT I KNOW ONE THING THAT WE WILL MAKE INDIA A SUPERPOWER WHICH U HAVE NOT DONE TILL NOW N R NOT ABLE TO DO THAT ( BECOZ U R THE PEOPLE WHO JUST SEE THEIR BENEFITS IN ANY ERA N DONT THINK ABOUT THE NATION )
INDIA WILL BE RULED BY THE BAHUJAN SOON
C,L.CHUMBER said
Dear Viewers ,
Mr. Mesquiteice said (July 29, 2008 @ 5:26 am ) ,”Then, by your own logic, we should also shoot if a person says that he belongs to a low caste. isnt it .” What is the fault of a low caste person .You bloody fools declared them low caste as your bloody fool Brahma made this system which our present constitution declared unlawful .The low caste people are already living sub human beings lifves in villages and slums of your metro cities .Can you dare to live a night with your family in these slums ? Please have a judicious mind !
C,L.CHUMBER said
C,L.CHUMBER said
sick said
Why blame Brahma or anyone you do not beleive in.
You created the Slum of your mind yourself.
Those that want collective progress are stuck because of you.
C,L.CHUMBER said
Mr.Happy Hindu @ hh @ Lavnya said ( July 29, 2008 @1:54 pm ),”Yesterday’s high is today’s low and today’s low will be tomorrow’s high. And that’s how the cycle of life has always been wheeling itself. It is inevitable, isn’t it ? ”
Mr.Happy Hindu is advocating the varna / caste system which declares a community low or high by birth for ever ! The parents belonging to high caste /varna produce high caste/ varna children !The parents belonging to a low caste / varna produce low caste children ! What a barbarian system invented , nourished and preserved by the barbarians till date !!! When Mr. M.K. Gandhi gave a name Harijan to the ex-untouchables ( SCs ) , Baba Mangu Ram Muggowalia said ,” You Hindus are Harijans ! ” The Brahmins still mind if they are called Harijans – Sons of God !!!! Why ? This barbarian thought of low or high by birth must be curbed by the Govt., otherwise it will be a disgrace to the democrat and constitutional Govts. whether in center or in states / U.Ts !!!!!
C,L.CHUMBER said
Mr.Mesquiteice quoted the Gita ( July 29, 2008 @ 12:08 pm ) as below ; – ( 1 ) 18.42 Those who have serenity, self control, austerity, purity, patience, honesty, knowledge, Self-realization, and belief in God are labeled as Braahmanas, the intellectuals.
MY ANSWER IS : – How Krishna judged that a person having serenity, self control, austerity, purity, patience, honesty, knowledge, Self-realization, and belief in God are labeled as Braahmanas, the intellectuals.Have all brahmins these total qualities.If a brahmin looses one or more qualities fixed for brahmins ,what varna is reserved for him/her ? If any non-brahmin achieves these qualities , then he / she be promoted as Brahmin ? How many brahmin intellectuals did inventions or discoveries ? Why did not Krishna`s so called brahmin intellectuals revolted against the barbarian varna / caste system ? What is theirs honesty towards mankind ? What is theirs knowledge ? Theirs by birth status made them dictatorial,exploiters in the name of God .They were so much dictatorials that they declared the rapists , racists and fascists as GODS . Theirs religion is cent per cent divide by birth and rule by birth !
18.43 Those having the qualities of heroism, vigor, firmness, dexterity,, not fleeing from battle, charity, and administrative skills are called Kshatriyas, the protectors.
MY ANSWER IS : _WHAT IS THE USE OF heroism, vigor, firmness, dexterity,, not fleeing from battle, charity, and administrative skills , if it do not establish the rule of equality,liberity , fratenity and justice .A kshattriya autocrat king Rama did not delivered justice even to his own pious and innocent wife Sita .HE BANISHED HER BUT NOT LEFT THE CHAIR TO SAVE HIS PIOUS AND INNOCENT WIFE SITA ! THE FANATIC RSS / BJP / VISHAV HINDU PARISHAD / BAJRANG DAL ARE JOINTLY WORKING DAY AND NIGHT TO RE-ESTABLISH SUCH A RAM-RAJYA STATE IN WHICH WOMEN AND SHUDRAS WILL BE DEBARRED FROM HUMAN RIGHTS .KRISHNA WAS ALSO DEADLY AGAINST WOMEN , SHUDRAS AND VAISH ( GITA ,CHAPTER 9 , COUPLET 32 )
( 3 ) 18.44 Those who are good in cultivation, cattle rearing, business, trade, and industry are known as Vaishyas. Those who do service and labor type work are classed as Shudras.
MY ANSWER IS : – HOW WERE THEY SELECTED AND TRAINED FOR THESE VARNAS BY BIRTH ? WHY NOT THEY PROMOTED TO KSHATTRIYA AND BRAHMIN VARNAS ? WE HAVE A CLASSIC EXAMPLE IN THE VALMIKI RAMAYNA THAT RISHI VISHAVMITRA TRIED HIS BEST TO BE BRAHM-RISHI BUT THE BRAHMIN RISHIS OPPOSED HIM WITH TEETH AND NAILS. EVEN INDIRA , BROTHER OF VISHNU SEEKED THE SERVICES OF AN APASSRA MENIKA TO CORRUPT VISHVAMITTRA SEXUALLY ! THE BRAHMINS DONATED A GIRL TO VISHAVMITTRA BUT THEY DID NOT CONFERRED THE BRAHM-RISHI TITLE TO A DESERVING SELF RESPECTFUL KSHATTRIYA AND GURU OF THE RAMA AND LAXMAN .THE CUNNING BRAHMINS DECLARED VISHVAMITTRA`S STUDENT RAMA AS THE INCARNATION OF VISHNU BECAUSE RAMA WAS A YES MAN OF THE BRAHMINS WHO CRUSHED THE WOMEN AND SHUDRAS IN HIS DAYNASTY THAT BRAHMINS STILL RECALL RAM-RAJYA AN IDEAL STATE FOR THE BRAHMINS !!! IF THE VISHVAMITTRA JOINED HANDS WITH VAISH AND SHUDRAS ,HE MIGHT HAD TOPPLED THE BRAHMINS .BUT HE WAS ALSO A TRUE MANUWADI WHO HELPED RAMA & LAXMAN TO KILL A SHURA LADY SAINT TARHIKA . RAMA ALSO KILLED AN INNOCENT AND PIOUS SHUDRA SAINT SHAMBUK .MR. V.P. SINGH AND MR. ARJUN SINGH , MODERN KSHATTRIAS PLAYED A REMARKABLE ROLE IN IMPLEMENTING CONSTITUTIONAL MANDAL REPORT .
( 4 ) However, 18.45 clarifies as follows:-18.45 One attains the highest perfection by devotion to one’s natural work. Listen to Me how one attains perfection while engaged in natural work
MY ANSWER IS : – THE GITA IS NOT KRISHNA`S WORK . IT IS A BRAHMINS`WORK TO HIGHLIGHT THE BRAHMINS AND LET DOWN THE NON-BRAHMINS ..THE VARNA / CASTE WORK IS NOT NATURAL WORK .THE NATURE IS PASSIVE IN THIS BARBARIAN SYSTEM .KRISHNA DESERTED HIS INNOCENT AND PIOUS WIFE RUKMANI .HE PLAYED MANY FOUL PLAYS IN THE MAHABHARTA .
( 5 ) EKALVAYA was definitely a kshatriya based on the above. I do not know how you call him a shudra.
MY ANSWER IS ;- IF EKLAVYA WAS KSHATTRIYA THEN WHY NOT BRAHMIN DARONACHARYA ADMITTED HIM TO HIS GURUKUL / SCHOOL MEANT FOR KSHATRIYA STUDENTS ? HE WAS A SHUDRA THAT IS WHY HE WAS DENIED ADMISSION IN BRAHMIN DARONACHARYA`S GURUKUL .
( 6 )Please let me know the specific verse which talks bad about women and a particular caste, so that we can find out the exact place and pinpoint the mistake and post it here so that everyone can see.
MY ANSWER IS : – THE DALITNATION.WORDPRESS.COM IS NOW ENTIRELY DISCUSSING ON THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCITS GODS BUT YOU NEVER CONDEMNED THEM.YOU NEVER CONDEMNED VARNA/CASTE SYSTEM .THE SPECIFIC VERSE IS IN THE GITA CHAPTER 9,COUPLET 32 . THE HINDUS ESPECIALLY BRAHMINS NEVER PRODUCED A VOLTAIRE AS DR AMBEDKAR BLAMED THE BRAHMIN COMMUNITY. I HOPE WE WILL SURELY PRODUCE A VOLTAIRE AMONG THE BRAHMINS . YOU MAY BE !!!!!
mesquiteice said
You said “What is the fault of a low caste person .You bloody fools declared them low caste as your bloody fool Brahma made this system which our present constitution declared unlawful .The low caste people are already living sub human beings lifves in villages and slums of your metro cities .Can you dare to live a night with your family in these slums ? Please have a judicious mind !”
If a brahmin looses one or more qualities fixed for brahmins ,what varna is reserved for him/her ?
He will definitely not be a brahmin.
If he fights, he is a kshatriya, if he does agriculture he is a vaishya. If he does not want to take reponsibility but wants to do labour for others then he will be a shudra
If any non-brahmin achieves these qualities , then he / she be promoted as Brahmin ?
100% yes.
Why did not Krishna`s so called brahmin intellectuals revolted against the barbarian varna / caste system ?
Please refer Swami Raghavendra, who fought against the entire community when some brahmins said he should not teach a boy just becase he was born to particular caste.
Sri Ramanuja was a brahmin, who was taught a mantra under condition that his head would blow into 1000 pieces if he taught it to other castes. His guru told him that those who hear that mantra would go to heaven. So he assembled thousand people and publicly taught the mantra to every body. His reason was that if his death is able to send 1000 people to heaven he would prefer such death
You should not stereotype. May be some brahmins are bad. But i am not able to agree to your contentions that all dalits are good either. Good or bad is not in the caste.
Brahmins who revolt are the people who have become great. In fact, most of the Alvars( who are considered the highest among vaishnavites) are not born into brahmin castes, but became brahmins by their deed.
I can tell you
ajay kumar said
FACT IS THAT BRAHMIN WILL BE A BRAHMIN WHATEVER WRONG HE DOES , THAT DOES NOT MATTER .
IT SHOWS CASTE N CLASS IS BY BIRTH NOT BY UR CAPABILITIES N QUALITIES .
N THIS IS THE FAULT OF HINDUISM WHICH WILL LEAD TO ITS DECLINE .
ACCORDING TO TIMES OF INDIA , HINDUS WILL BECOME MINORITIES IN INDIA BECAUSE MOST OF THE SO CALLED LOW CASTE PEOPLE WILL ADOPT OTHER RELIGIONS( SPECIALLY BUDDHISM ) AFTER HAVING GOOD ECONOMIC N GOOD EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND .
mesquiteice said
You said “What is the fault of a low caste person .You bloody fools declared them low caste as your bloody fool Brahma made this system which our present constitution declared unlawful .The low caste people are already living sub human beings lifves in villages and slums of your metro cities .Can you dare to live a night with your family in these slums ? Please have a judicious mind !”
THE FAULT OF A LAW CASTE PERSON IS HIS THOUGHT THAT HE IS “LOW”. YOU BLOODY FOOLS DECLARED THEM TO BE LOW AND ARE CRYING FOR ALL SORTS OF SPECIAL BENEFITS. YOU ARE TELLING STORIES AND DEPRIVING MERITORIOUS PEOPLE OF THEIR CHANCES. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY FORWARD CAST STUDENTS YOU ARE KILLING BY BLAMING STORY CHARECTERS LIKE BRAHMA AND KRISHNA AND MANU.
THE FORWARD CLASS PEOPLE ARE ALREADY MARGINALISED BECAUSE OF YOUR CRYING. HOWEVER, THEY ARE NOT THE ONES WHO WANT TO KILL OTHERS AND ARE GIVING UP. IF YOU KEEP ON DOING THIS YOU WILL ONLY GIVE RISE TO A PARASURAMA LIKE CHARECTER, WHO WILL GO ALL OUT TO DESTROY YOU. THERE WERE SO MANY PEOPLE AMONG BRAHMINS WHO FOUGHT FOR LOWER CLASS. BUT NO ONE FROM THE LOWER CLASS HAS EVER EVEN HELPED A BRAHMIN.
CAN YOU DARE TO LIVE THE LIFE OF A HELPLESS BRAHMIN, WHO IS ON THE ONE SIDE BEING USED AS A PUNCHING BAG BY POLITICIANS AND ON THE OTHERSIDE BEING DEPRIVED OF ALL BENEFITS. IN THE COLLEGE I STUDIED THE GOVERNMENT WAS GIVING SCHOLARSHIP TO BACKWARD CLASS STUDENTS WHO WERE ACTUALLY TEASING GIRLS AND CREATING PROBLEMS FOR TEACHERS, WHEREAS THOSE PEOPLE USED TO TAKE THE SCHOLARSHIP MONEY AND IMMEDIATELY GO TO WINE SHOP TO DRINK, BUY JEANS PANT, SHOES AND CREATE PROBLEMS FOR PEOPLE WHO STUDY, WHEREAS SOME OF OUR FRIENDS DIDNT EVEN HAVE THE MONEY TO BUY BOOKS.
DONT TALK LIKE BUDDHA AFTER TAKING ALL THE BENEFITS. YOU WERE FORTUNATE TO HAVE A GOOD LIFE. LET US THINK ABOUT ALL OUR BROTHER AND SISTER INDIANS AND HELP THEM INSTEAD OF TALKING ABOUT STORIES AND USING THAT AS THE GUN.
ALREADY INDIA WAS DIVIDED IN THE NAME OF RELIGION. DONT DIVIDE IT INTHE NAME OF CASTE. I HOPE YOU ARE NOT A POLITICIAN OR POLITICALLY MOTIVATED.
PLEASE HAVE A JUDICIOUS MIND.
C,L.CHUMBER said
mesquiteice said
YOU HAVE NO REGARD FOR THE INDIAN CONSTITUTION. PLEASE DONT TALK ABOUT IT. ON THE ONE HAND YOU ARE CASTING ASPERSION ON THE JUDICIARY AND MAKING UNNECESSARY REMARKS ABOUT THE SYSTEM. IF YOU HAVE SO MUCH RESPECT FOR THE CONSTITUTION READ ARTICLE 25. ALSO DONT TALK BAD ABOUT YOUR OWN COUNTRY AND COUNTRYMEN, THIS IS NOT WHAT THE CONSTITUTION ASKS YOU TO DO
YOU DONT HAVE TO TAKE SHELTER UNDER CONSTITUTION FOR YOUR OPINION ABOUT STORYBOOK CHARECTERS. DOES THE CONSTITUTION GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO TALK WRONG ABOUT OTHERS AND THEIR BELIEFS.
ARTICLE 15 & 16 PROVIDES FOR MAKING SCHEMES FOR WELFARE OF SC/ST. IT DOES NOT PROVIDE THE RIGHT TO NOT PROVIDE EDUCATION TO MERITORIOUS STUDENTS IN THE NAME OF CASTE.
YOU SAW WHAT HAPPENED DURING MANDAL COMMISION? YOU SAW WHAT HAPPENED WHEN AIIMS DOCTORS WENT ON STRIKE AGAINST RESERVATION?
COMMENTS ON OTHERS BELIEFS ARE THE ROOT CAUSE OF TERRORISM. TALKING BAD ABOUT OTHERS IS ALSO A TERRORISM. WORDS ARE MIGHTIER THAN BULLETS.
STOP COMMENTING ABOUT OTHER PEOPLES GODS AND DO YOUR WORK. TRY TO DO SOMETHING USEFUL.
YOU ARE TALKING BAD THINGS ABOUT GIRLS, AND TREATING THEM LIKE SOME PROPERTY AND ALSO COMMENTING THAT THEY CANNOT MARRY WHOM THEY LIKE AND SHOULD MARRY WHOM YOU FEEL THEY SHOULD MARRY, BASED ON A CASTE SYSTEM WHICH EXISTS ONLY IN THE MINDS OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU.
KINDLY LET ME KNOW THE MEANING OF THE WORDS :
EQUALITY.QUALITY,EQUITY.LIBERITY,FRATENITY AND JUSTICE
I WILL TRY MY BEST TO FOLLOW IT.
Karthikeyan said
C,L.CHUMBER said
THE RESERVATION FOR SCs / STs/ OBCs IS TO COMPENSATE THESE CATAGORIES WHO ARE SUFFERERS OF THIS CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM .IF YOU ALSO FEEL SUFFOCATION,THEN THE REST OF THE COMMUNITIES MAY ALSO DEMAND RESERVATION FOR THEIRS COMMUNITIES .
FOR THIS A CASTE COLUMN HAVE TO BE OPENED FOR CENSUS 2011 A.D. A CLAUSE OF CREAMY LAYER MUST BE IMPLEMENTED IN ALL GOVT.JOBS WHETHER THEY ARE RESERVED OR GENERAL.AS YOU ARE TALKING AGAINST CASTE,ALL GOVTS.POSTS MUST BE FOR INTER CASTE MARRIAGE HOLDERS. IF YOU DO NOT LEAD THE MOVEMENT AGAINST CASTE/VARNA SYSTEM AS WELL AS AGAINST THE RAPIST,RACIST AND FASCIST GODS , THERE ARE CHANCES THAT THE SCs , STs,OBCs AND RELEGIOUS MINORITIES CONVERTED FROM THEM MAY REVOLT AGAINST YOU.
TO-DAY YOU A GANG OF TWO OR THREE PEOPLE CHANGING FICTITIOUS NAMES OPPOSE ME FOR NOTHING AND WORSHIPING ,DEFENDING AND GLORIFYING THE RAPISTS,RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS IS A VERY SHAMEFUL FOR YOU.YOU ARE THREATENING ME BY THE INCARNATION OF PARSHURAM.PARSHURAM WILL HAVE TO KILL HIS MOTHER RENUKA ON HIS FATHER JAMDAGANIS`S INSTRUCTIONS . WHEN PARSHURAM`S MODERN INCARNATION WILL DO THIS,THE POLICE WILL ARREST HIM ON CHARGE OF MURDER OF HIS MOTHER .PLEASE HAVE A JUDICIOUS MIND . DON`T TALK OF
SOCIO-RELIGIOUS TERRORISTS .YOU ARE LIVING IN A DEMOCRAT COUNTRY.YOUR PARSHURAM INCARNATION THREAT SHOWS YOUR BENT OF MIND IS IRRATIONAL MANUWADI .THIS THREAT MAY PUT YOU BEHIND BARS .
C,L.CHUMBER said
*** FOR,IT IS WELL KNOWN THAT HINDUISM PREACHES SEPARATION INSTEAD OF UNION .TO BE A HINDU MEANS NOT TO MIX,TO BE SEPARATE IN EVERYTHING .
THE LANGUAGE COMMONLY USED THAT HINDUISM UPHOLDS CASTE AND UNTOUCHABILITY PERHAPS DISGUISES AND CONCEALS ITS GENIUS .THE REAL GENIUS OF HINDUISM IS TO DIVIDE . THIS IS BEYOND DISPUTE .FOR,WHAT DO CASTE AND UNTOUCHABILITY STAND FOR ? OBVIOUSLY FOR SEPARATION ? FOR CASTE IS ANOTHER NAME FOR SEPARATION AND UNTOUCHABILITY TYPIFIES THE EXTREMIST FORM OF SEPARATION OF COMMUNITY FROM COMMUNITY.
IT IS ALSO BEYOND DISPUTE THAT CASTE AND UNTOUCHABILITY ARE NOT INNOCUOUS DOGMAS TO BE COMPARED WITH OTHER DOGMAS RELATING TO THE CONDITION OF SOUL AFTER DEATH . ( FROM HIS BOOK ” WHAT CONGRESS AND GANDHI HAVE DONE TO THE UNTOUCHABLES ,JAN.1991,MUMBAI , PAGE 186 )
mesquiteice said
you said on August 2, 2008 @ 7:15 pm that “BRAHMINS SHOULD BE SHOOTED”
IS THIS CORRECT? PLEASE PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH.
PLEASE NOTE THAT I DO NOT SUPPORT ANY GODS. I HAVE BEEN CLARIFYING THAT THESE ARE ONLY STORIES. YOU ARE ONLY GOING ON TALKING SO MUCH ABOUT THESE GODS. IN FACT I DID NOT EVEN KNOW THAT THERE WERE SO MANY GODS BEFORE YOU ENLIGHTENED ALL OF US IN THIS BLOG.
IF THERE CAN BE SO MANY GODS, THERE CAN BE MANY MORE. WHY ARE YOU ALWAYS TAKING ABOUT GODS. HAVE YOU WRITTEN ONE SENTENCE WHERE YOU ARE TALKING FROM YOURSELF, WITHOUT REFERANCE TO ANY GOD. I AM SICK AND TIRED OF YOUR GODS AND THE STORIES.
PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH. DONT TALK ABOUT ANY GODS ANYMORE. IF YOU ARE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT GOD HOW CAN I FORGET GOD! LET US LOOK AT BUILDING A STRONG INDIA. THIS COUNTRY HAS PRODUCED NOT JUST SAND AND STONE, BUT GOLD AND DIAMONDS. YOU ARE ALSO ONE.
WHEN YOU ARE GOING TO A HOTEL, IS ANY ONE ASKING THE SERVER, HIS CASTE, YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHO THE COOK IS. WHEN THE COUNTRY IS IN SUCH A LEVEL OF PROGRESSION. WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO PLAY DIRTY POLITICS.
I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT I WILL BE THE HAPPIEST PERSON IF YOU CALL ME A S/C OR S/T OR UNTOUCHABLE, BECAUSE THEN YOU GET THINGS FREE. I AM HEREBY ALLOWING YOU TO CALL ME AS A “HARIJAN”. IN FACT PEOPLE ARE DYING TO BE INCLUDED IN S/C AND S/T LIST.
I AM WILLING TO BURN MANUSMRITY, AND OTHER STORIES IF YOU AGREE NOT TO REMIND ME ABOUT SUCH THINGS. PLEASE BURN THE MANUSMRITY FROM OUR MINDS EVERY DAY AND EVERY SECOND (IF WE KEEP ON BURNING PAPER, WE WILL WASTE SO MUCH TREES. PLEASE CONSERVE PAPER)
YOU ARE CRYING EVEN AFTER BEING FORTUNATE TO HAVE EYES TO READ MY COMMENTS/ HAND TO WRITE COMMENTS AND A BRAIN TO ANALYSE. THERE ARE SO MANY OF OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS WHO ARE NOT SO FORTUNATE. PLEASE THINK ABOUT THEM. PLEASE DO SOME THING WORTHWILE RATHER THAN TALKING ABOUT STORIES AND COMICS.
YOU ARE HAPPILY TALKING NOW, SINCE YOUR CHILDREN ARE HIGHLY EDUCATED WELL SETTLED. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH PROBLEMS YOU ARE CREATING BY DIVIDING OUR BROTHERS ON CASTE BASED POLITICS SEE HOW MANY JAVANS ARE DYING DAILY TRYING TO CALM DOWN CASTE BASED POLITICS. PLEASE HAVE A JUDICIOUS MIND
INTERCASTE MARRIAGES:-
PLEASE DONT TALK BAD ABOUT OUR SISTERS AND TELLING THEM THEY SHOULD MARRY SOMEONE ONLY IF HE IS FROM A DIFFERENT CASTE. THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO MARRY WHOEVER THEY LIKE.
THANKS
C,L.CHUMBER said
DEAR VIEWERS ,
Mr.Mesquiteice distorted my views in his writing ( August 12, 2008 @ 8:44 am ). I reproduce my and his views to come to conclusive truth .
( 1 ) MR.Mesquiteice said ( July 29, 2008 @ 5:26 am ) , ” Chumber JI,your goodself said“I am daring to say that if a person says that he belongs to a high caste he must be shot on the site and surrender to the police to annihilate the caste/varna systems for ever”
Then, by your own logic, we should also shoot if a person says that he belongs to a low caste. isnt it
( 2 ) C,L.CHUMBER said ( August 2, 2008 @ 7:15 pm )
BRAHMINS SHOULD BE SHOOTED WHO CREATED AND STILL PRESERVING ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL CASTEISM/VARNAS NOT THE VICTIMS OF THIS SYSTEM !
Dear Viewers ,Mr. Mesquiteice said (July 29, 2008 @ 5:26 am ) ,”Then, by your own logic, we should also shoot if a person says that he belongs to a low caste. isnt it .” What is the fault of a low caste person .You bloody fools declared them low caste as your bloody fool Brahma made this system which our present constitution declared unlawful .The low caste people are already living sub human beings lifves in villages and slums of your metro cities .Can you dare to live a night with your family in these slums ? Please have a judicious mind !
( 3 ) MR.Mesquiteice said ( August 12, 2008 @ 8:44 am ) ,” MR. CHUMBER,you said on August 2, 2008 @ 7:15 pm that “BRAHMINS SHOULD BE SHOOTED”
IS THIS CORRECT? PLEASE PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH.
****
I had not named brahmins in my first writing which Mr.Mesquiteice reproduced .He wrote that they ( upper caste people ) will shoot the person who call himself a lower caste .He did not understand my sentiments that how much we are fed up on degrading us by the upper caste people even when the constitution declared us equal . Then I said , ” BRAHMINS SHOULD BE SHOOTED WHO CREATED AND STILL PRESERVING ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL CASTEISM/VARNAS NOT THE VICTIMS OF THIS SYSTEM !”
IS IT NOT TRUE THAT BRAHMINS ARE ACTIVE UNDER RSS AND ITS BRANCHES TO MAITAIN THIS UNCONSTITUTIONAL SYSTEM ? IN WHICH CAPACITY HE DECLARED TO SHOOT THE INNOCENT , HELPLESS AND POOR LOW CASTE PEOPLE ?.HE MUST TELL US THE LEGAL NAME . BRAHMINS SHOULD BE SHOOTED WHO CREATED AND STILL PRESERVING ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL CASTEISM/VARNAS SYSTEM NOT THE VICTIMS OF THIS SYSTEM !!!!
mesquiteice said
Dear Chumber Ji,
Your said “He did not understand my sentiments that how much we are fed up on degrading us by the upper caste people even when the constitution declared us equal”
I am sorry for not having understood your sentiments. In fact i sincerely feel sorry for you that you are feeling left out. i felt sorry even when i read that you were slapped by a lady for nothing because you were from a certain caste. I CONDEMN THAT LADY WHO DID THIS.
but please note that my “Sorry’s” are not going to change your life. If you want to change your life become like baba amte, mother theresa, Dr. Abdul kalam, then we will see which lady will beat you. EVERYBODY WILL RESPECT YOU IF YOU DO GOOD.
all that i want you to understand is that just like you want others to respect your sentiments, you should also respect others sentiments.
Let us stop finding faults with small things like words and sentences when we have a bigger work of making our country great. ultimately we are brothers and sisters and we do not get anything by talking bad about our brothers and sisters and fighting with them.
C.L.CHUMBER said
mesquiteice said
I do not want to make false stories or make you feel bad. this is not my idea.
If you feel bad if i speak about you or if you do not like me to comment on you points, please let me know and i will not post any comment to your blogs.
h said
You do not have any ability to economically develop the country, so you useless politicians talk all these utter nonsense.
As though centuries old stuff will get damaged by your useless ranting.
I, the common man, have enough sense to make out what is what.
C,L.CHUMBER said
Dear H ,
Mr.Happy Hindu@ Lavnya @ h said ( August 19, 2008 @ 2:36 am),” You do not have any ability to economically develop the country, so you useless politicians talk all these utter nonsense.”
My Answer is : – I am not discussing politics .I am discussing your political-religion which divides , crushes and rules . HAVE YOU PEOPLE ABILITY TO ECONOMICALLY DEVELOP THE COUNTRY ? I am not a member of any political party. I am not uttering any nonesense .What are you uttering ?
( 2 )As though centuries old stuff will get damaged by your useless ranting.
My Answer is :- Your untouchability have been converted into embracing ! The centuries old stuff will be flushed out in a decade.Your last Hindu dynasty in Nepal had been dynamited by democracy ! We need your co-operation.
( 3) I, the common man, have enough sense to make out what is what.
My answer is :-You are not a common man.You are a communal man.
h said
Dear H ,
Mr.Happy Hindu@ Lavnya @ h said ( August 19, 2008 @ 2:36 am),” You do not have any ability to economically develop the country, so you useless politicians talk all these utter nonsense.”
My Answer is : – I am not discussing politics .I am discussing your political-religion which divides , crushes and rules . HAVE YOU PEOPLE ABILITY TO ECONOMICALLY DEVELOP THE COUNTRY ? I am not a member of any political party. I am not uttering any nonesense .What are you uttering ?
( 2 )As though centuries old stuff will get damaged by your useless ranting.
My Answer is :- Your untouchability have been converted into embracing ! The centuries old stuff will be flushed out in a decade.Your last Hindu dynasty in Nepal had been dynamited by democracy ! We need your co-operation.
( 3) I, the common man, have enough sense to make out what is what.
My answer is :-You are not a common man.You are a communal man.
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HAVE YOU PEOPLE ABILITY TO ECONOMICALLY DEVELOP THE COUNTRY?
At our level we do simple work, like once in a blue moon volunteerism or simple donations. And if we do not do that, atleast we do not cause damage to others.
Hindusim did not create untouchability. It is your inter-tribal fights that caused it.
The rest of your post is allegations as usual.
Indian said
What type of Bu** is written here……its funny……some christian missionary ploy it seems…..lol
Brahmin Brahmin Brahmin……..conspiracy conspiracy consparicy……..lol
Schizophrenia i would say….
I have seen some missionary adds on this site…..I am sure its a missionary funded ploy in colaboration with JNUites to harvest more indian souls into their pathetic religion…..Thanx a ton for making this idiotic blog possible……..lol
soham said
Instead, these useless leaders take you people for a ride – blind men leading people with eyesight into a blind alley, just because you do not realize that you have eyes, you can see but only because you think such blind-men are leaders.
h said
C . L. CHUMBER said
Dear Viewers ,
Mr.H @ Happy Hindu said ( August 21, 2008 @ 10:24 am ) ,” Hindusim did not create untouchability. It is your inter-tribal fights that caused it.”
My answer is :- The Hindu scriptures are full of degradation and gradation of Humanity .There is never a religion in the universe which hates the people to whom its priests claim to be of theirs religion !!!!! Mr.Happy Hindu is happy and prosperous due to this filthy mentality . He is the incarnation of Hitler`s gobbler when he says that Hinduism did not created untouchability .The Hinduism made its followers so cunning that this religion and its fictitious religious centers must be dynamited legally .Dr.Ambawdekar ( Ambedkar ) wrote that there is nothing in Vedas which may be dynamited !!!!!
C . L. CHUMBER said
DEAR VIEWERS ,
Mr.Indian said ( August 25, 2008 @ 9:41 am ) ,” Is this blog a joke…….?? ”
My answer is : – Yes , there are some jokers who made jokes of constitutional reservation .Here is one example : -
” Karthikeyan said, July 28, 2008 @ 8:15 pm
The whole world laughed at this popular joke about reservations in India:
“We are sending Indians to moon in the next year” – Said a politician.
“Wow! how many?” – asked a foreign country’s president.
The politician said:“25 – OBC, 25 – SC ,20 – ST,5 – Handicapped ,5 – Sports Persons , 5 – Terrorist Affected , 5 – Kashmiri Migrants ,9 – Politicians and if possible 1 – Astronaut” (the names mentioned in the joke are intentionally hidden in order to show respect towards them) .This is where reservation politics is leading us.”
( 2 ) What type of Bu** is written here……its funny……some christian missionary ploy it seems…..lol
MY ANSWER IS : – I had not seen any advt. of Christianary Missionary .They are better than Brahmans who opened hospitals and public schools .The Brahmans do study their children in theirs schools .They are not anty India .
( 3 ) Brahmin Brahmin Brahmin……..conspiracy conspiracy consparicy……..lol
Schizophrenia i would say….
MY ANSWER IS : – THIS IS TRUE THAT THE BRAHMAN PRIEST CLASS MADE INDIA A HELL FOR OTHERS AND HEAVEN FOR THEMSELVES ! THEY ARE WORST EVER IN THE UNIVERSE WHO ARE WORSHIPING EVIL GODS ! THEY ARE UNETHICALS . THEY SUFFER FROM SCHIZOPHERENIA !!!!!
THE BRAHMANS DIVIDED INDIA IN THOUSANDS CASTES .THEREFORE A TRUE BRAHMAN CAN NOT BE A TRUE INDIAN !!!!!
syed afroz ashrafi said
C . L. CHUMBER said
mesquiteice said
Dont talk like a parrot.
If you have problem with hinduism, especially brahminism(incidentally which i also have) There is lot of scope for us.
We have Zen, Hassidism etc. which offer you the opportunity to know “OURSELVES”
Why should getting caught with mass religions like hinduism/islam/chritianity. These have only one Krishna/one prophet/one christ. This is only for the masses who do not want to take the risk of a new path and want to travel a time tested and fixed path. These are not made for charecters like us who want to know why we should take this path. Why are you wasting time asking other people to do things which you like. Just ignore this path. we have an opportunity to create the path we want.
The ultimate goal is one.
Just like engineer/doctor/lawyer, these are mass professions. special charecters like poets have no course nor do they need them. Of couse it is a struggle to be a poet like subramanya bharathi, but so what.
I request you read Ball Shemtov to start off.
I am sure you will not repent.
happy-hindu-shem-hh said
chumber has not yet “denounced” islam. meaning, that is the only religion he has not touched upon negatively so far.
plus he is professing the so-called superiority of adi-dharm and claims to be an adi-dharmi.
..chumber’s inclination for the road less travelled ? sigh…
anyways, here is a link for chumber to read: http://baalshemtov.com/whowashe.htm
C .L . CHUMBER said
AND I EXPECT THAT IN THE OCTOBER , 2008 , YOU INDO-ARYANS WILL BURN MY EFFIGIES DECLARING ME AS RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST ( ALSO A SON OF RAPIST , RACIST FASCIST FATHER AS WELL AS THE FOLLOWER OF RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST AMBEDKAR AND KANSHI RAM AS YOU INDO-ARYANS BLAMED IN THIS BLOG RECENTLY ! ) . I ALSO EXPECT IN NOVEMBER , 2008 , YOU INDO-ARYANS WILL BURN THE EFFIGIES OF THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS !!!!! ONE DAY YOU AND YOUR COMMING GENERATIONS WILL APPRECIATE ME FOR THIS E-DIALOGUE . THAT DAY IS VERY NEAR IN FUTURE ! THANKS FOR E-DIALOGUE !
happihindu said
AND I EXPECT THAT IN THE OCTOBER , 2008 , YOU INDO-ARYANS WILL BURN MY EFFIGIES DECLARING ME AS RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST ( ALSO A SON OF RAPIST , RACIST FASCIST FATHER AS WELL AS THE FOLLOWER OF RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST AMBEDKAR AND KANSHI RAM AS YOU INDO-ARYANS BLAMED IN THIS BLOG RECENTLY ! ) . I ALSO EXPECT IN NOVEMBER , 2008 , YOU INDO-ARYANS WILL BURN THE EFFIGIES OF THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS !!!!! ONE DAY YOU AND YOUR COMMING GENERATIONS WILL APPRECIATE ME FOR THIS E-DIALOGUE . THAT DAY IS VERY NEAR IN FUTURE ! THANKS FOR E-DIALOGUE !
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Mr.Dumbedkar,
Then why are you not criticising Mohammed and Prophets of the Old Testament? Are you finding that Islam and Christianity are perfect? No religion is perfect. Then why are you criticizing Hinduism alone?
The whole world is against rapism, racism and fascism. The Gods never indulged in them. But you lie and lie, again and again about them. And you want us to accept your point of view based on lies ?
First you said you are an aboriginal Indian. Then you said Shiva and Gauri and non-vedic; but at the same time you asked dumb stuff about kartikeya and ganesha. You have still not answered my list of questions.
So many Indians were forcibly converted to Islam by invasive methods is well known. With the threat of the sword at their neck, sunnat was performed – this was done during Aurangazeb’s time is already known.
You live in a fantasy world of dreams of expectations. All based on a severe form of dumbness.
Sanjam said
just control your tongue and stop abusing gods and dieties of hinduism.
if you are not going to behave yourself, then get prepared for the ultimate prize of your dirty politics.
AND LET ME MAKE IT CLEAR,,, I WONT LET YOU GET AWAY AFTER WRITING AND CLAIMING BULLSHIT ABOUT HINDUISM.
I WILL NOT LET YOU REST IN PEACE,,, I WILL NOT LET YOU GO UNPUNISHED.
THEN IF YOU CRY YOUR LUNGS OUT THAT “BRAHMINS,,, MANUWADIS,, OR UPPER CASTES ARE SODOMIZING ME” “PLEASE SAVE ME FROM INDIAN JUDICIARY AND JEWS”,,
NOBODY WILL CARE TO LISTEN,,, YOU WILL BE FUCKED AND FUCKED FOR GOOD!
YOU WILL PAY FOR YOUR RELENTLESS ABUSES AGAINST HINDUS AND THEIR BELIEFS!
YOU ARE ONE HELLUVA STUBBORN BASTARD! ARENT YOU?
happihindu said
C .L . CHUMBER said
Dear Viewers ,
Mr.Sanjam ” expert in vaidik abusive language ” said ( September 24, 2008 @ 5:19 am ) ,”IT WAS YOUR ESTEEMED SISTER MAYAWATI WHO FORCED HIS HIGHNESS SHRI SHRI KAANSHI RAM JI MAHARAJ, TO STAY AT HER HOUSE. ”
MY ANSWER IS :- It was not her house 11-A , Hamanyu Road , New Delhi . It was Shahid-e-azam Sahib Kanshi Ram`s official house which she and her caucus forcefully occupied it after his international level consperacy abduction from Hyderabad in the train .
Mayawati did it under the instuctions of RSS`BJP government because Shahid-e-azam Sahib Kanshi Ram did not compromise with the Indo-Aryan imperialistic forces .You will be astonished to know that Shahid-e-azam Sahib Kanshi Ram delivered a very rare speech in the lok sabha session at the time of BJP/NDA govt. saying ,” MR. BAJPAYEE JI ! DID YOU NOT COME TO MY HOUSE WITH ADVANI JI AND MURLI MANOHAR JOSHI TO OFFER ME THE PRESIDENTSHIP OF INDIA ? I REPLIED YOU THAT YOU MAY CONFINE ME IN THE BIGGEST HOUSE OF INDIA AND MAKE MY MOVEMENT FAIL .” THE SAME KANSHI RAM WAS ABDUCTED IN THE NAME OF SICKNESS .FIRST ADMITTED TO THE NIZAM HOSPITAL , HYDERABAD AND THEN BROUGHT TO DELHI BY AIR .HE WAS ADDMITTED IN THE AIIMS .THEN HE WAS SHIFTED TO THE PRIVATE BATRA HOSPITAL, NEW DELHI . AND THIS A LONG STORY WHICH I RECORDED IN THE DALITNATION IN BRIEF EARLIER .
( 2 ) SHE REFUSED THE FAMILY OF HIS HIGHNESS TO SEE HIM.
AND NOBODY HAS A FAINT CLUE WHY MR CHUMBER IS BLAMING THE INDIAN JUDICIARY?
MY VIEWS ARE : – MY JOURNALIST FRIEND MR. ARJUN SHARMA OF THE PUNJAB KESARI WROTE A QUARTER PAGE WRITE-UP WITH FOUR COLOURED PICTURES DATED 30TH JUNE 2004 AND WE DISTRIBUTED 500 COPIES OF IT IN THE BATRA HOSPITAL , DELHI`S PREMISES . MS MAYA AGAIN ABDUCTED HIM TO HIS HOUSE . AND TO OCCUPY HIS HOUSE SHE RESIGNED FROM THE AKBARPURA ( UP) LOK SABHA M.P. SEAT TO CAPTURE HIS RAJ SABHA SEAT AND HENCE HIS HOUSE ! PANDIT SATISH CHANDER MISHRA WAS ( STILL NOW ) HIS ADVISER AND ADVOCATE AGAINST KANSHI RAM JI AND HIS FAMILY IN THE COURT . I WATCHED HIS ACTIVETIES IN THE DELHI HIGH COURT AS THE NATIONAL GENERAL SECRETARY CUM SPOKESMAN OF THE SAHIB KANSHI RAM BACHAO SANGARSH COMMITTEE .
WHEN SAHIB KANSHI RAM`S FAMILY ADVOCATE ASKED THE JUDGE TO KNOW THE VIEWS OF SAHIB KANSHI RAM .THE ORDERED THE REGISTRAR , THE DELHI HIGH COURT . SAHIB KANSHI RAM1`S ADVOCATE REQUESTED TO ALLOW HIM AND THE MEDIA TO BE PRESENT AT THE TIME OF SAHIB KANSHI RAM`S STATEMENT BUT THE JUDGE REFUSED .
SAHIB KANSHI RAM ASKED THE REGISTRAR TO RESCUE HIM BUT THE REGISTRAR TOOK 25 LACS AS BRIBE AND MAYA-MISHRA CAUCUS INJECTED KANSHI RAM JI B.SC. PASSWD AND GOT HIS THUMB IMPRESSION ON HIS SO CALLED STATEMENT OF WHICH PHOTO COPY PROVIDED BY HIS FAMILY I HAVE. I ISSUED A STATEMENT REGARDING THIS WHICH PUBLISHED IN THE PRESS EVEN AT DELHI AND CENTER GOVT. APPOINTED A PANEL OF AIIMS DOCTORS . I WAS NEVER SERVED A CONTEMT OF COURT BECAUSE THE JUDGES , REGISTRAR AND MAYA`S ADVOCATES NOT ONLY CONTEMPTED THE COURT BUT ALSO MURDERED THE JUDICIAL SPIRIT .
( 3 ) EVEN JUDGES IN USA OR ANY OTHER COUNTRY HAVE BEEN FOUND TO INDULGE IN CORRUPTION,,, BUT IT GIVES JUST THE KIND OF SADISTS LIKE CHUMBER TO BLAME EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING ON THE JUDGES.
IN CASE OF SHRI KANSHI RAM, CHUMBER SHOULD BE BLAMING HIS OWN PARTY’S LEADERS.
CHUMBER,,, I HOPE YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BLAME ARGENTINA FOR FOOD SHORTAGE IN NORTH KOREA?
WHO KNOWS?
MY ANSWER IS :- NOT ONLY INDIAN JUDICIARY EVEN THE LEGISLATURE AND EXECUTIVE ALSO WERE PART AND PARCEL OF THIS CONSPERACY TO ELEMINATE SHAHID-E-AZAM SAHIB KANSHI RAM PHYSICALLY . MAYAWATI`S NEW SLOGANS ARE , ” HAATHI NAHIN GANESH HAI , BRAHMA VISHANU MAHESH HAI . PANDIT SANKH BAJAYEGA , HAATHI AAGE JAYEGA .” THIS BRAHMANS KILLED SHAHID-E-AZAM SAHIB KANSHI RAM -A STRONG BAHUJAN SAMAJ`S CANDIDATE FOR PRIME MINISTERSHIP AND ADOPTED MS MAYAWATI AS A MEMBER OF SARVJAN ( ACTUALLY SWARNJAN ) SAMAJ . MS MAYAWATI IS THE LEADER OF SARVJAN SAMAJ PARTY NOT OF BAHUJAN SAMAJ PARTY BECAUSE HE LEFT THE CONCEPT OF BAHUJAN SAMAJ .
THE BRAHMANS WILL ALSO KILL HER AND CAPTURE HER PARTY AND PROPERTY !!!!! SHE PUBLICALLY ADMITTED ON 9TH AUGUST, 2008 IN LUCKNOW THAT SHE MAY BE KILLED !
mesquiteice said
You dont like mayawathi because she is “SARVJAN”. I feel this is wrong.
What is wrong in being “SARVJAN”. Everybody is human.
The fact that you dont want to be considered equals with everybody itself shows that you dont want peace.
All you want is DALITS should get free food whereas brahmins should starve even if they do hard work. And all the reasons that you give for this is based on stories
If this is what you want to say, YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO THE DALITS, who you calaim to be working for.
happyshemhindu said
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yeanda chumber, unnaku veray velayay illiya?
conspiracy stories in the world of gods.
conspiracy stories in the creation of pakistan and bangladesh.
conspiracy stories in the murder of kanshi ram
now, conspiracy predictions in the murder of mayawati
now it is clear why mayawati threw u out – you need an asylum, not mere isolated confinement.
Dilip Muralidaran said
C .L . CHUMBER said
I HAVE NOT ANY ISOLATED CONFINEMENT . I FOLLOW ,” BETTER ALONE THAN A BAD COMPANY .”
C . L . CHUMBER said
happyshemhindu said,
September 26, 2008 @ 9:20 am
Again you profess Mata Sita but without her Ram. Poor mata Sita. How much She must have yearned for Her husband in the forest. But now, even in memories you will seperate them.
Even Rukmani will also feel so bad if you seperate Her from her Krishna. You are creating Divine Divorces and new history.
happiyhindu said
I HAVE NOT ANY ISOLATED CONFINEMENT . I FOLLOW ,” BETTER ALONE THAN A BAD COMPANY .”
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Thanks for your comments Chumber. You do not know. But you are digging your own grave with your commenting (made with abandon) regarding Ms.Mayawati.
Point is, you are already alone. These are the following options for you:
1) run to the nearest police station and file a case against us for worshipping and defending the gods that you label as rapist, fascist, racist. Let me know if they do not recommend a psychiatrist or mental asylum.
2) The second clause of your complaint would be that some of us abused you badly. I cannot forget that you manipulated my apology once already for your rubbish pompous image. This time i know exactly what to do.
3) give away all your money to the poor and pratice what you preach by working for their upliftment. Create your robin-hood image not just with your mouth. You will need their support when in jail and for the next elections.
Take care brother. See ya. Bye.
C . L . CHUMBER said
hindushemhappy said
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Grow up Chumber….grow up.
A few divorces do not change the history of the country nor does it affect the current growth or GDP of the country in any way.
And do not post the same message or same point again and again.
C . L . CHUMBER said
Dilip Muralidaran said
Adhu varakkum thamizhla than da thittuven, kammunaatti payya!
C . L . CHUMBER said
hinduhappyshem said
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Then go and change the GDP of the whole country by getting the whole country divorced…
You politicians give us common folk on the streets a biggggg headache because you guys are soooooo jobless…..
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDUS ! THIS IS NOT RAM RAJYA .NOW EVERY MARRIED OR UNMARRIED WOMAN HAS EQUAL RIGHTS LIKE MEN . NOW NO ONE CAN BANISH OR DIVORCE HIS WIFE ON HIS OWN WILL. THERE ARE COURTS TO DECIDE DIVORCE ACCORDING TO THE LAW OF THE LAND . RAMA WAS A DICTATORIAL KING . IN HIS KINGDOM THERE WAS NO APPEAL ,LAWYER AND REASONIG !!!!! THAT IS WHY SITA AND SAINT SHAMBUK WERE NOT INFORMED THEIR CRIMES !!!!! WILL YOU PEOPLE WISH TO RESTABLISH THIS TYPE RAM RAJY WHERE PIOUS AND INNOCENT SITA AND SHUDAR SAINT SHAMBUK WERE BANISHED AND MURDERED BY DICTATORIAL RAMA RESPECTIVELY .
C . L . CHUMBER said
Dear Viewers ,
Mr. Happy Hindu @ happyhindushem @ lavnya @ shem said ( September 30, 2008 @ 2:39 am ),”My Gods did not rape. Why should I discard them .”
http://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/beware-of-meditation/#comment-1769
My ANSWER IS ;- Mr. Happy Hindu was a staunch follower of Vishanu who raped Adi-mata Varinda w/o Adi-mahabhagwan Jalandhar as recoeded in the Padam Purana , the district Jalandhar`s gazeteer published by the Punjab government and the Hindi movie the ” Tulasi Vivah .”
Now Mr.Happy Hindu was fed up of rapist Vishanu .He discarded him by writing that he had no rapist God ! i already said that vaidik people have to discard either the evil Gods or their scriptures . He pefered scriptures to the evil Gods . He already took stand against rapism , racism and fascism . He also took stand that every body had burnt the Manu-simrity !
I congrtulate Mr. Happy Hindu for this development in the history of India . I wish him success in the war against the rapism , racism and fascism !!!!!
C . L . CHUMBER said
Dear Viewers ,
Mr.Mesquiteice said http://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/dalits-must-agitate-for-reservation-in-private-sector/#comment-1836( October 1, 2008 @ 5:03 am ) ,” BEGGARS CANNOT BE CHOOSERS.Beggars have to beg! Some beggars beg on the basis of poverty, while some beg based on their caste. But they can only get what is thrown at them. They cant demand.”
MY ANSWER IS : – INDIA IS NOT A COUNTRY OF BEGGARS .INDIA IS INDEBTED TO MANY NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL FINANCIAL ORGANISATIONS AND COUNTRIES . THE VAIDIK PEOPLE EXPLOITED THE NAIONAL AND STATE BUDGETS BEING THE RULERS .THE VAIDIK PEOPLE BRAND OTHRS BEGGARS .ACTUALLY THEY ARE DACOITING THE INDIAN ECONOMY . THE INDIAN GOVT. AND STATE GOVERNMETS MUST ISSUE WHITE PAPERS SO THAT THE INDIAN CITIZENS MAY KNOW WHICH CASTE / VARNA HOW MUCH HAS BEEN BENEFITED FROM THE STATE BY LOANS , SUBSIDIES AND WAIVING LOANS
MR. HINDU MINDED ! WE INDIAN ABORIGINALS ARE NOT BEGGARS .WE ARE NOT DOGS TO WHOM YOU INDO-ARYANS WILL THROW ALMS ON US . WE WILL DEMAND OUR COUNTRY AND WE CAN EVEN SNATCH OUR COUNTRY FROM THE INDO-ARYANS . DON`T PROVOCATE US .WE ARE FIFGTING NON-VIOLENT, CONSTITUTIONAL AND DEMOCRATIC WAR !!!!!
( 2 ) If DALITS want to excel and really prove a point to people who oppressed them they should come out of this begging attitude. Infosys would not have been there if they were beggars. They were hard workers.
MY ANSWER IS : – MANY INDO-ARYAN EDUCATIONAL / COMMERCIAL / MEDICAL INSTITUTIONS ARE RUNNING ON HEAVY SUBSEDISED AND EVEN FREE LIKE LANDS !!!!! MANY OF THEM DO NOT FULFIL THE STATURY UNDERTAKINGS OF ALLOWING SOME PERCENTAGE OF STUDENTS TO STUDY AND PATIENTS TO BE TREATD FREE OR CONCESSETIONAL FEES . NO ONE IS EVER HARD WORKER THAN THE ABORIGINAL INDIANS . YOU WORK IN THE AC OFFICES AND LIVE IN THE ROOMS .
LET US WORK HARD IN THE MONTH OF MAY-JUNE IN THE FIELDS TO PLANT THE RICE PLANTS IN THE 45 DEGREE TEMPERATURE ..THE VAIDIK PEOPLE ARE PARASITE ON INDIAN ECONOMY !!!!! IS IT NOT TRUE ? ? ? ? ?
( 3 ) .Everybody who believes in reservation more than their capabilities should be thrown into dustbin. When a guy without legs can believe in himself, what is wrong with you.
MY ANSWER IS :- WHAT ARE YOU VAIDIK PEOPLE`S CAPABILITIES ? THE MOST OF THE FOREIGN COUNTRIES DO NOT RECOGNISE YOUR MBBS DEGREES BECAUSE YOUR STANDARD IS BELOW OF THEIR STANDARD .HOW MANY INVENTIONS AND DISCOVERIES HAD DONE YOU VAIDIK PEOPLE ? THE VAIDIK PEOPLE ARE ALREADY IN THE DUSTBINS OF MERITORIOUS FOREIGNERS !!!!! IF YOU ARE MERITORIOUS THEN WHY ARE YOU AFRAID OF US .
WE WILL SANCTION YOU THE SAME RESERVATION IN THE NEAR FUTURE .YOU VAIDIK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE LEGAL BEGGARS .
( 4 ) POLITICIANS LIKE OMVELDT WANT DALITS TO BE BEGGARS SO THAT THEY CAN TAKE A CUT FROM THE BEGGARY COLLECTION. THEY HAVE CONSPIRED WITH UPPER CLASS TO COMPLETELY MAKE DALITS WEAK FROM WITHIIN AND ARE KILLING THEIR SELF RESPECT.
MY ANSWER IS :- MADAM GAIL OMVELDT GREAT SOCIAL SCIENTIST IS TRUE HUMANITARIAN . THE HINDUS USED TO BURN THE WIVES WITH THEIR DEAD HUSBANDS . SUCH IS THE DEAD THINKING OF THE HINDUS STILL .WE ARE FIGHTING FOR THE SELF RESPECT WITHOUT KILLING ANYONE .WE ARE STRONGER ENOUGH EVEN TO RULE THE INDIA !!!!!
Can a beggar have self respect? Isnt he declaring himself inferior by begging.
( 5 ) No sympathy for lazy beggars.MAY EVERYBODY BELIEVE IN THEMSELVES RATHER THAN RESERVATIONS.
MY ANSWER IS : -NO SYMPATHY FOR THE UNETHICAL WORSHIPERS OF RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS !!!!! MAY EVERY BODY BELIEVE IN ETHICS THAN BELIEVING IN EVIL GODS AND CASTE / VARNA LIKE FILTHY SYSTEM DUE TO WHICH RESERVATION POLICY CAME INTO EXISTENCE !!!!!
C . L . CHUMBER said
Dear Viewers ,
Praveen said http://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/26/narendra-modi-and-the-fall-of-hindutva/#comment-1960 ( October 3, 2008 @ 12:43 am ) ,” Hindus believe in 3 crores of gods and godesses. None of the saffron clothed saints(sannasis) had ever seen even single one of those 3 crores of non-existant gods but they commit severe violence in the name of gods. These hindu terrorists are no more better than islamic jihad terrorists.”
MY VIEWS ARE : – I FULLY AGREE WITH HIM / HER .A SAINT/PREACHER/PRIEST MUST PASS A PROFESSIONAL DEGREE . MR.T.N.SHESAN EX CHIEF ELECTION COMMISSIONER OF INDIA IS CONCERNED WITH AN INSTITUTE AT PUNE ( MAHARASHTRA ) WHICH TEACH A POST GRADUATION LEVEL STUDY OF POLITICS .
THE RSS IS SPREADING HATERED AMONG ABORIGINAL INDIANS THROUGH ITS VHP ,BAJRANG DAL ETC.IN AUGUST , 2008 ,A MR. MISHRA PRESIDENT OF THE BAJRANG DAL , KANPUR WAS KILLED WITH HIS FRIENDS WHILE MAKING BOMBS .RECENTLY Ms SHUSMA SWARAJ , SPOKESPERSON OF BJP ( BRAHMAN BANIA JATIWADI PARTY ) BLAMED CONGRESS PARTY`S HAND IN EXPLOSIONS IN BANGALORE AND AHMDABAD .THE BJP DISASSOCIATED FROM HER COMMENTS BUT SHE IS ADAMANT ON HER STAND .
THE HINDU VEDIK PHILOSOPHY IS A TERRORIST PHILOSOPHY . THEY USE EVEN WOMEN AND WINE IN THEIR WAR TACTICS .THEY DO A SEVERE PROPOGANDA AGAINST OTHERS TO BE HUMANISTS .ALMOST ALL THEIR SO CALLED ” POLITICAL GODS ” ARE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS .
BEWARE OF THESE EVIL TERRORIST GODS AND THEIR TERRORIST FOLLOWERS !!!!!
C . L . CHUMBER said
h said,
September 1, 2008 @ 3:42 pm
Man, you are madder than me.
h said,
September 2, 2008 @ 7:36 am
Maybe because you are too much of an idiot for them ?
h said,
September 3, 2008 @ 4:41 am
ofcourse a DUMB DULLARD cannot understand anything better than this…..
If you want to talk NONSENSE based on your political version of Adi-dharm, you are free to do so….but by linking meditation to prosperity of the country and equating it to sitting idle is again the statement of a MENTALLY RETARDED person.
You are indulging in mere CHEAP DUMB low level politics
.h said,
September 4, 2008 @ 2:35 pm
Mr.Idiot,
You quote all those people, because you do not have a brain to read the Ramayan and come to a conclusion yourself?
You keep showing off about your bigggg library, your biggggg collection of books, your bigggg asshole brain….what’s wrong with you man?
I will keep calling you an idiot, because that;s what you are. Remember the Supreme Court’s definition of an idiot – it means someone who cannot count beyond 20 or has a non-sane memory.
Ofcourse you have a non-sane memory
all 3 are fantastic.
But you idiot,
From all your talkings so far i am certain that you, your dalitnation, your equally stupid Kancha and Rajshekar…are either a mullah or evangelist funded lot.
You obviously are a rabid politician dog. What will you understand abt any faith? And then you actually tell other people not fit for dialogue.
Bast*r*d scum,
trouble by repeatedly issuing your stupid warnings.
C .L . CHUMBER said,
September 4, 2008 @ 6:02 pm
CAN MR.HAPPY HINDU NOT TALK WITHOUT ABUSING OTHERS ?
h said,
September 5, 2008 @ 10:58 am
No i cannot talk without abusing you, Mr.Dumbhead.
issued too many stupid warnings, you cheapio. I am only giving you the strongest dose of your own medicine.
Mr.Idiot, prob is you are a narcissist.
none said,
September 6, 2008 @ 8:01 am
Chumber,
Do not hide behind your own stupidity
shem said,
September 8, 2008 @ 3:24 am
Chumber,
Do not hide behind your own stupidity
http://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/beware-of-meditation/
C . L . CHUMBER said
hindushemhappy said,
October 14, 2008 @ 1:11 am
If you and the owner of this blog do not give your name and address within the next 3 days, then a FIR will be filed against you for sedition, anti-Indian government stand, hurting religious sentiments and inciting communal divide.
If we cannot find this blog’s owner / writer, then you Chumber will face charges for both of you together.
http://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/dalits-must-agitate-for-reservation-in-private-sector/#comment-2416
C . L . CHUMBER said
THEN BRAHMA , VISHANU AND THEIR INCARNATIONS ( WHO WERE RAPIST,RACIST AND FASCIST GODS AS PER SCRIPTURES OF THE INDO-ARYAN VAIDIKS ) ARE NOT THE GODS OF MODERN INDO-ARYAN VAIDIKS !!!!! NOW M/S. HAPPY HINDUS WILL DISCOVER OR INVENT THEIR NEW GODS . I HOPE THEIR NEW INVENTED / DISCOVERED GODS WILL BE DEADLY AGAINST THE RAPE AND CASTE/VARNA SYSTEM !!!!!
shhhapinendupy said,
October 10, 2008 @ 2:58 am
MR. MESQUITEICE ! WHY DO NOT YOU VAIDIK PEOPLE ACCEPT THE TRUTH THAT YOUR VAIDIK INDO-ARYAN GODS WERE RAPIST, RACIST AND FASCIST EVILS ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN SCRIPTURS ? ? ? ? ?-C . L. CHUMBER
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Mr.Dumbedkar,
Post was to Mesquiteice. But i am writing in between. Want to tell you that you are a liar. OUR GODS WERE NEITHER RAPISTS NOR RACIST NOR FASCIST . It is mullahs-commies-missionaries who are making up and propagating all lies about hindusim, to create divisions. And dumedkar politicians like you want to make a living out of it. For once, drop your politician stand, be with yourself for a few min and listen to this: It is mullahs-commies-missionaries who are making up and propagating all lies about hindusim, to create divisions. And dumedkar politicians like you want to make a living out of it. For once, drop your politician stand, be with yourself for a few min and listen to this:
http://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/brahmin-heads-citigroup/#comment-2364
C . L . CHUMBER said
Dear Viewers ,
The Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute , PUNE ( Mharashtra ) -411004 founded on July 6, 1917 and is a public organisation registered under Act 21 of 1860 AD . It is partly supported by annual earmarked grants from the Maharashtra Government which nominates five representatives on the Regulating Council and two on the Executive Board .The institute has also received grants from the Government of India and the University Grants Commission for special research projects . This institute is known for its world famous” Critical Edition Of the Mahabharta ” which costs Rs.19,000/- !
I purchased only two books on Mahabharta ( 1986 AD ) and Ramayna ( 1994 AD ) both written by Mr. M.R.Yardi
I hereby reproduce from Mr.M.R.Yardi`s book ” The Ramayna : Its Origin and growth ” as below with courtesy :- The above will show that Rama had his full quota of human emotions and weaknesses .But he was also endowed with a rare combinations of virtues , which are usually not found in one individual . But before we proceed to discuss the character of Rama , it is proposed to deal with certain episodes which seem shocking to the modern mind . These are , in their chronoligical order , the killing of Tarhaka , the mutilation of Surapnakha , killing of Vali , ordeal of fire by Sita , her later repudiation by Rama and the killing of Shambuka . ” ( pages 129-130 _
The worshipers of Rama project him as hero and his opponents even Sita as villains . In the month of October , the worshipers of Rama will celebrate the Dussehra and the Diwali festivals .We will reproduce Dr.Ambawdekar@ Dr. Ambedkar , Mr. M.R. Yardi , Pandit Kamlapati Tripathi and Mr.P.H. Gupta Bar at Law`s views on these episodes so that we may study in depth the Hindu God Rama .
Please participate in this e-dialogue rationally .Please do not use the abusive language to derail the e-dialogue . Thanks .
C . L . CHUMBER said
kevin said,
October 14, 2008 @ 2:41 pm
CHUMBER ji,
I wont support Ambedkar..He is strictly did to supress the Brahmin caste..
http://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/reservations-for-everyone/#comment-2518
C . L . CHUMBER said
RESPECTED KARTHIKEYAN JI ! YOU EVEN DID NOT DO JUSTICE WITH ADI-BHAGWAN KARTHIKEYAN JI WHO IS NEGATED BY THE INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDUS AS COMPARED TO HIS UN-NATURAL BROTHER GANESH .
I RESPECT YOU IN PERSON FOR CONDEMNING VAIDIK ABUSERS AND APPRECIATING MY STAND ON RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS !
BUT YOU NEVER DISCARDED THESE EVILS AND EVIL GODS !
I HOPE YOU WILL HEAR THE VOICE OF YOUR NATURAL GIFTED HEART !
WE ARE IN SEARCH OF VOLTAIRES LIKE REVOLUTIONARIES IN INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDUS !!!!!
DR. AMBEDKAR@ AMBAWDEKAR TRIED HIS BEST TO REFORM THE INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDUS BUT IN VAIN !
THE HINDU CHAUVENIST MR. ARUN SHOURIE BRANDED HIM ” FALSE GOD ” THAT IS WHY I AM EXPOSING MR. SHOURIE`S RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!!
Karthikeyan said,
October 15, 2008 @ 3:48 pm
Chumber Ji, I give you one assurance. Ask one question in one post in case the question is directed to me. I will answer it for sure in the same post. I cannot keep on posting same answers everywhere you ask because I wish to do some useful work. I have answered you in some other place. It is unfair to post same questions in different pages and giving the readers the impression that it was left unanswered. This is another example of Chumberwad.
http://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/brahmin-heads-citigroup/#comment-2662
lavanya said
DR. AMBEDKAR@ AMBAWDEKAR TRIED HIS BEST TO REFORM THE INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDUS BUT IN VAIN !
THE HINDU CHAUVENIST MR. ARUN SHOURIE BRANDED HIM ” FALSE GOD ” THAT IS WHY I AM EXPOSING MR. SHOURIE`S RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!!
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Chumber,
ADD another charge to your list: Defamation of Arun Shourie.
I have not defamed Ambedkar.
YOU have defamed Ambedkar AND Mayawati.
You talk about Voltaire? Its funny. As long you spoke out of stupidity, i could laugh. But now, since i have realized you are mad, i pity you.
Chumber, last warning. Give your address and this blog owner’s name and address. No email. Give your address right here on this blog openly.
lavanya said
THE RSS IS SPREADING HATERED AMONG ABORIGINAL INDIANS THROUGH ITS VHP ,BAJRANG DAL ETC.IN AUGUST , 2008 ,A MR. MISHRA PRESIDENT OF THE BAJRANG DAL , KANPUR WAS KILLED WITH HIS FRIENDS WHILE MAKING BOMBS .RECENTLY Ms SHUSMA SWARAJ , SPOKESPERSON OF BJP ( BRAHMAN BANIA JATIWADI PARTY ) BLAMED CONGRESS PARTY`S HAND IN EXPLOSIONS IN BANGALORE AND AHMDABAD .THE BJP DISASSOCIATED FROM HER COMMENTS BUT SHE IS ADAMANT ON HER STAND .
THE HINDU VEDIK PHILOSOPHY IS A TERRORIST PHILOSOPHY . THEY USE EVEN WOMEN AND WINE IN THEIR WAR TACTICS .THEY DO A SEVERE PROPOGANDA AGAINST OTHERS TO BE HUMANISTS .ALMOST ALL THEIR SO CALLED ” POLITICAL GODS ” ARE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS .
BEWARE OF THESE EVIL TERRORIST GODS AND THEIR TERRORIST FOLLOWERS !!!!!
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Two more charges:
1) Defamation of a former government servent, TN Sheshan.
2) Defamation of a public individual, Sushma Swaraj.
Do you muslim Mullahs NOT use women and wine? Do you want me to provide you with a list of rubbish from the Quran, Chumber ?
Do you accept that you are a mullah agent ?
Karthikeyan said
It is good news that there is atleast somebody even in politics who dared to speak the truth about misquoters of Ambedkar.
You continue your aimless journey Chumber Ji, happy journey.
C . L . CHUMBER said
Lavanya said,
October 19, 2008 @ 10:51 am
WE ARE IN SEARCH OF VOLTAIRES LIKE REVOLUTIONARIES IN INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDUS !!!!!
DR. AMBEDKAR@ AMBAWDEKAR TRIED HIS BEST TO REFORM THE INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDUS BUT IN VAIN !
THE HINDU CHAUVENIST MR. ARUN SHOURIE BRANDED HIM ” FALSE GOD ” THAT IS WHY I AM EXPOSING MR. SHOURIE`S RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!! – C .L . CHUMBER .
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Chumber,
ADD another charge to your list: Defamation of Arun Shourie.
I have not defamed Ambedkar.
YOU have defamed Ambedkar AND Mayawati.
You talk about Voltaire? Its funny. As long you spoke out of stupidity, i could laugh. But now, since i have realized you are mad, i pity you.
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER ) ANSWER IS : – YOU PEOPLE SAID AMBEDKAR,KANSHI RAM AND CHUMBER`S FATHER WERE RAPISTS . YOU PEOPLE SAID CHUMBER IS RAPIST . NOW YOU PEOPLE SAID ,” ” LALU, MAYAWATI, KARUNANIDHI, PASWAN , KARAT, YECHURY , Y SAMUEL REDDY,, …. ARE THEMSELVES OR THE PROTECTORS OF RACISTS , RAPISTS , FASCISTS , AND OTHER DEVISH CRIMINALS USING ILL-GOTTEN POLITICAL POWER ” . YOU PEOPLE SAID ,” CHUMBER ,LAKSHMAN DIDN`T GET HIS WIFE ALONG SO THAT HE COULD SCREW YOUR MUM OR SISTERS ! ” IS THIS NOT DEFAMATIONS ? DO YOU MANUWADI INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDUS THINK THAT SHUDRAS / ABORIGINAL INDIANS HAVE NO DIGNITY . I WILL NETHER ABUSE YOU NOR I WILL SAY YOU MAD/IDIOT ( WHICH YOU USE FREQUENTLY FOR ME EVERY DAY WHICH I RETURN YOU )BUT I WILL SAY YOU TO JUST SEE YOUR FACE IN THE MIRROR OF FACTS TO KNOW THE TRUTH .
MR. ARUN SHOURIE WROTE A BOOK ” WORSHIPING FALSE GODS ” ON DR. AMBEDKAR .THAT IS WHY THE DALITS OF PUNE BLACKED HIS FACE BUT I WAS THE ONLY PERSON WHO CONDEMNED . IS IT NOT DEFAMATION OF DR. AMBEDKAR .YOU PEOPLE HAVE DEFAMED AMBEDKAR AND MAYAWATI BY BRANDING THEM RAPIST, RACIST AND FASCIST . IS IT NOT DEFAMATION ? PLEASE DO E-DIALOGUE NOT INDULGE IN VAIDIK ABUSIVE LANGUAGE AND BASELESS BLAMES WHICH ARE GOING TO BE A PART OF THE HISTORY OF WAR AGAINST THE RAPISM , FASCISM AND RACISM !!!!! YOUR COMMING GENERATIONS WILL FEEL SHAME BY READING YOUR VAIDIK ABUSIVE LANGUAGE AND BASELESS CHARGES FOR THE SAKE OF NAME ( S ) AND FAME( S ) . YOU PEOPLE`S ABUSES SHOW THE LOW LEVEL BENT OF YOUMINDS .
Lavanya said,
October 19, 2008 @ 10:56 am
MY VIEWS ARE : – I FULLY AGREE WITH HIM / HER .A SAINT/PREACHER/PRIEST MUST PASS A PROFESSIONAL DEGREE . MR.T.N.SHESAN EX CHIEF ELECTION COMMISSIONER OF INDIA IS CONCERNED WITH AN INSTITUTE AT PUNE ( MAHARASHTRA ) WHICH TEACH A POST GRADUATION LEVEL STUDY OF POLITICS .
THE RSS IS SPREADING HATERED AMONG ABORIGINAL INDIANS THROUGH ITS VHP ,BAJRANG DAL ETC.IN AUGUST , 2008 ,A MR. MISHRA PRESIDENT OF THE BAJRANG DAL , KANPUR WAS KILLED WITH HIS FRIENDS WHILE MAKING BOMBS .RECENTLY Ms SHUSMA SWARAJ , SPOKESPERSON OF BJP ( BRAHMAN BANIA JATIWADI PARTY ) BLAMED CONGRESS PARTY`S HAND IN EXPLOSIONS IN BANGALORE AND AHMDABAD .THE BJP DISASSOCIATED FROM HER COMMENTS BUT SHE IS ADAMANT ON HER STAND .
THE HINDU VEDIK PHILOSOPHY IS A TERRORIST PHILOSOPHY . THEY USE EVEN WOMEN AND WINE IN THEIR WAR TACTICS .THEY DO A SEVERE PROPOGANDA AGAINST OTHERS TO BE HUMANISTS .ALMOST ALL THEIR SO CALLED ” POLITICAL GODS ” ARE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS .
BEWARE OF THESE EVIL TERRORIST GODS AND THEIR TERRORIST FOLLOWERS !!!!! – C.L.CHUMBER
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Two more charges:
1) Defamation of a former government servent, TN Sheshan.
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER )ANSWER IS : – WHICH DEFAMATION ? I WROTE , ” I FULLY AGREE WITH HIM / HER .A SAINT/PREACHER/PRIEST MUST PASS A PROFESSIONAL DEGREE . MR.T.N.SHESAN EX CHIEF ELECTION COMMISSIONER OF INDIA IS CONCERNED WITH AN INSTITUTE AT PUNE ( MAHARASHTRA ) WHICH TEACH A POST GRADUATION LEVEL STUDY OF POLITICS .” WHICH IS DEFAMATION ?
2) Defamation of a public individual, Sushma Swaraj.
MY ( C,L,CHUMBER ) ANSWER IS :- I WROTE ,” RECENTLY Ms SHUSMA SWARAJ , SPOKESPERSON OF BJP ( BRAHMAN BANIA JATIWADI PARTY ) BLAMED CONGRESS PARTY`S HAND IN EXPLOSIONS IN BANGALORE AND AHMDABAD .THE BJP DISASSOCIATED FROM HER COMMENTS BUT SHE IS ADAMANT ON HER STAND .” IS IT NOT TRUE . I PURCHASE 9 DAILY NEWS PAPERS REGULAR TO BE WELL INFORMED AND BALANCE THINKING .ASK Ms SHUSMA SWARAJ REGARDING HER STATEMENT AND HER STAND ON HER STATEMENT !
( 3 )Do you muslim Mullahs NOT use women and wine? Do you want me to provide you with a list of rubbish from the Quran, Chumber ?
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER ) VIEWS :- I ALREADY SAID THAT I AM NEITHER MULLAH NOR PANDIT/ BRAHMIN . OUR ADI-MAHAGURU KABIR SAID , ” WE DISCARD WHATEVER PANDIT AND MULLAH SAID .” OUR ADI-MAHAGURU NAMDEV SAID ,” HINDU IS BLIND AND TURAK ( MUSLIM ) IS BLEMISHED ! ” I HAVE GAINED EXPERIENCES IN THIS E-DIALOGUE THAT INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDUS ARE STILL BLIND IN THINKING !!!!! IS NOT TRUE ? IS IT NOT TRUE THAT EXCEPT MR. KARTHIKEYAN , ALMOST ALL INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDUS ABUSED ME , AMBEDKAR , KANSHI RAM , MY FATHER , MY MOTHER , MY SISTERS , DALIT-NATION BLOG ,LALU PARSHAD YADAV , MAYAWATI, KARUNANIDHI, RAM VILASH PASWAN , KARAT, YECHURY , Y SAMUEL REDDY EVEN BRANDING RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS . ALAS ! THE INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU PEOPLE DO NOT RECOGNIZE INDIAN ABORIGINALS AS HUMAN BEINGS TILL DATE !!!!!
( 4 ) Do you accept that you are a mullah agent ?
MY ( C. L. CHUMBER ) VIEWS ;_ I AM NEITHER MULLAH AGENT NOR BRAHMIN AGENT ! YOU ARE GAINING VERY MUCH NEGATIVE MARKS EVERDAY . IN NEAR FUTUER , YOUR GOOD SELF WILL RECEIVE MINUS ZERO !!!!!
Samukham-Venkata said
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Chumber, you are not an aboriginal. You are neither aryan nor tribal nor dravidian. You are a complete outsider. This I will definitely prove to you in court.
I abused you. I did not abuse your family members or politicians you have mentioned. Sanjam did that, go and ask him.
If you are not a mullah agent, then why are you not cleaning up society by removing corrupt prohets like Muhammed from Islam and many more from Christianity. Why are you attacking ONLY hindu prophets like Kabir and gods like Krishna?
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( 4 ) Do you accept that you are a mullah agent ?
MY ( C. L. CHUMBER ) VIEWS ;_ I AM NEITHER MULLAH AGENT NOR BRAHMIN AGENT ! YOU ARE GAINING VERY MUCH NEGATIVE MARKS EVERDAY . IN NEAR FUTUER , YOUR GOOD SELF WILL RECEIVE MINUS ZERO !!!!!
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What is minus Zero? What is this idiotic marks? You are a 5-year old school-boy inside your head. You have not grown up. I called you an Idiot because it is legal to call a man of Non-Sane memory as an Idiot. It is not wrong. Come to court, I will prove this also to you.
svrkLavanyAtn said
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Chumber, first you ask this idiot blog owner to stop meddling with the clipboard. He is frequently blocking my names and comments. I can only post under different names.
Everyone has spoken enuf with you. No use. You are mad and need to be put in mental asylum. If you are not a coward, if you think you have not made any mistake, then just seal your lips and give me your address.
mesquiteice said
You said “IS IT NOT TRUE THAT EXCEPT MR. KARTHIKEYAN , ALMOST ALL INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDUS ABUSED ME , AMBEDKAR , KANSHI RAM , MY FATHER , MY MOTHER , MY SISTERS , DALIT-NATION BLOG ,LALU PARSHAD YADAV , MAYAWATI, KARUNANIDHI, RAM VILASH PASWAN , KARAT, YECHURY , Y SAMUEL REDDY EVEN BRANDING RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS ”
My Answer:- It is true that you abused others and therefore others abused you. Now dont talk as though you didnt abuse anybody and everybody is abusing you without reason.
Grow up man! dont cry like a baby.
If you want to talk talk with reasons, dont abuse others and other religions based on stories.
AS YOU SOW SO SHALL YOU REAP!!!
C . L . CHUMBER said
Dilip Muralidaran said,
October 24, 2008 @ 8:41 am
Then you will have human rights activists come and side with chumber on the blaring problems created by HINDU caste system and support him.
http://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/09/10/brahmin-deception-through-dalai-lama-part-1/
Dilip Muralidaran said
I unconditionally support you on removing the caste system. Which also explains why i’m an atheist, i don’t support religion/caste/god or any other hallucinations you seem to talk about all of the time. I will start with by annihilating caste based oppressors like you.
By the way, why is that you do not talk about caste systems in CHRISTIANITY and ISLAM? What about catholic and protestant wars? What about sunni and shiate wars? What about discrimination of lower caste dalit christians and muslims by upper caste oppressing christians and muslims?
Dilip Muralidaran said
I warn you, im not god and i do NOT like to be associated with god or called one. I clearly told you that im an atheist. One more time you call me a vaidik god, i slap you with an anti-defamation lawsuit.
Dilip Muralidaran said
1. Criminal lawsuit for misinformation, misrepresentation and misuse of media.
2. Anti-defamation lawsuit
3. Nuisance case
Is there anybody who can help me sue this blog? Additionally i’m also planning on sueing Chumber for anti-defamation for addressing me as a vaidik-indo-aryan god and hurting my atheistic sentiments. Sounds fun? Sure is…
C . L . CHUMBER said
Dear Viewers ,
Mr.Samukham-Venkata ( October 21, 2008 @ 2:07 pm ) in response to my answer ,” PROPHET MOHAMMED MARRIED AYISHA ( AS YOU WROTE ALREADY ) BUT VISHANU RAPED ADI-MATA VARINDA !!!!! ” said ,” Will you consummate your marriage with a 9-year old girl? Will your 9-year old daughter agree? ”
MY ANSWER IS :- First of all , all M/S HAPPY HINDUS including new Mr .Samukham -Venkata did not condemned the rapist Vishanu and are defending , worshiping and glorifying continuously .But they are condemning a married couple .I ask them what was the age of Ram and his brothers at the time of their marriages .When Vishavmitra asked Dasrath to hand over his sons Ram and Lakshman to finish the Rakshas , Dasrath said his sons are just children ! Ram and Lakshman went directly to the swambar to marry Sita and Urmila respectively .
These fellows are so irrational and brought my daughter in this discussion .This is the standard of ethics of the Indo-Aryan Vaidik Hindus !
( 2 ) Then they in response to my answer ,” VAIDIK GOD BRAHMA ALSO TRIED HIS BEST FIVE TIMES TO RAPE HIS OWN DAUGHTER BUT ADI-MAHABHAGWAN SHIV BEHEADED HIM TO SAVE HIS ( BRAHMA`S ) DAUGHTER TO BE RAPED BY A FATHER !!!!! ” commented ,” From where did you get this story? ”
MY ANSWER IS : – THIS IS NEITHER STORY NOR BRAHMA AND SHIV ARE MYTH . YOU ARE BRAHMINS AND YOU KNOW VERY WELL THE SOURCES .
(3) Then they in response to my writing ,” YOU PEOPLE BLAME THAT RAVAN ABDUCTED SITA .LAKSHMAN RAPED HIS SISTER SURAPNAKHA THAT IS WHY HE REVENGED BUT HE DID NOT RAPED WITH SITA !!!!! ” commented ,” lakshman did not rape Surpanakha.”
MY ANSWER IS : – Please read the Valmiki Ramayna with care . You people never condemned the rapist Brahma , Vishanu and their incarnations which is authenticated by your scriptures !
(4)They in response to my writing ,” VAIDIK HINDU GOD BRAHMA ABDUCTED MATA GAYATARI WITH THE HELP OF INDIRA TO BE BRAHMA`S WIFE !!!!! ” commented ,” Again, from where did you get this story? ”
MY ANSWE IS : – Please read the judgement of a court at Ajmer ( Rajasthan ) regarding the dispute between the priests of Brahma and his wife`s temples situated at Pushkar district Ajmer published in the Indian Express ,Chandigarh edition dated 1st July , 1997 .BUT YOU WILL NEVER CONDEMN BRAHMA BECAUSE YOU PEOPLE WORSHIP , DEFEND AND GLORIFY THE RAPIST, RACIST AND FASCIST INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU GODS !!!!! SHAME .
(5) If characters in history kept names after the vedic objects of veneration, and if they did some deeds, then it is their story or history-like Purana.
MY ANSWER IS : – THE BRAHMA ,VISHANU AND THEIR INCARNATIONS ARE NOT ONLY CHARACTERS OF VEDAS,PURANAS , RAMAYNA AND MAHABHARTA BUT ALSO CHARACTERLESS CHARACTERS !!!!!
(6)You are out to hate. You need to locked up in a mental asylum for latent paedophilia.
MY ANSWER IS :-You people worship,defend and glorify the fascists as Gods .I can never love these evil Gods and their evil followers .Indeed your manuwadi brains are locked having no keys to open !!!!! PLEASE COME ON FOR E-DIALOGUE WITH OPEN MIND !
lavanyamur said
Am on with you. Lets do it as a collective effort. You lead, we support. Can also get a good many elders to join you. Its better these elders are led by young blood like you. Btw, am in Chennai soon. Once there, am certain i can garner support (and signatures) from various groups…from my end, all is seek is this:: no more insulting Rama, Krishna and various Hindu Gods. Just as you feel insulted for not being called an atheist, i feel insulted that (my prayers to) my Gods are insulted thus.
C.L .CHUMBER said
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Dilip Muralidaran said,
October 28, 2008 @ 4:05 pm
Chumber,
Of course, what you say should also have proof and a SCIETIFIS backing. No bullshit from religious text please.
C.L .CHUMBER said
lavanyamur said,
November 9, 2008 @ 3:53 am
Dilip,
Am on with you. Lets do it as a collective effort. You lead, we support. Can also get a good many elders to join you. Its better these elders are led by young blood like you. Btw, am in Chennai soon. Once there, am certain i can garner support (and signatures) from various groups…from my end, all is seek is this:: no more insulting Rama, Krishna and various Hindu Gods. Just as you feel insulted for not being called an atheist, i feel insulted that (my prayers to) my Gods are insulted thus.
Dilip Muralidaran said
Listing my personal information proves how cheap you are. Secondly, what the hell is north pole and south pole gotta do with science and astrology. Astronomy is science. Astrology is nonsense.
lavanyamura said
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What a joke…
I do not need a Liar, Hater, Lunatic like you Chumber.
Whatever is to be done, will be done by the law now.
C.L .CHUMBER said
* Clarence Darrow , 1936 AD
Law is a bottomless pitch. – J. Arbuthnot -Title of a Pamphlet , 1700 AD.
Be you never so high , the law is above above you. – Thomas Fuller
Law grinds the poor , and rich men rule the law.-Goldsmith – The Traveller
The jury system puts a ban upon intelligence and honesty , and a premium upon ignorance , stupidity and perjury .- S.L.Clemens( Mark Twain ) – Roughing It .
Delay of justice is injustice . – Lanoor
Let justice be done , though the heavens fall.- William Watson , 1602 AD .
C.L .CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDU @ LAVANYAMURA @ LAVANYA ( AND MANY MORE ILLEGAL NAMES ! ) ADMITTED FINALLY THAT BRAHMA , VISHANU AND THEIR INCARNATIONS ” In hindu texts, those that have raped have only been burned to ashes.” !!!!!
BUT HE NEVER DISCARD HIS ABUSIVE VEDIK LANGUAGE ,” Barking dogs try to bite but can never bite.”
OUR TRUE GOD WON OVER THE FOLLOWERS , DEFENDERS AND GLORIFY OF RAPISTS , RACIST , FASCIST AND FALSE INDO-ARYAN VEDIK GODS ULTIMATELY !!!!!
SATYA MEV JAYATEY BY E-DIALOGUE !!!!!
C.L .CHUMBER said
THE INDO-ARYAN VEDIK HINDU YOUNG BLOOD GOING TO LEAD THE OLD BLOOD AS WELL AS CONTINUE TO DEFEND, GLORIFY AND WORSHIP EVEN THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS AS THEIR GODS !!!!!
AS LONG AS YOUR GOOD SELF WILL WORSHIP THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS AS GODS , YOUR RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY WILL ALSO BE KNOWN AS THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST COMMUNITY !!!!!
PLEASE LEARN FROM THE WHITE AMERICANS WHO ELECTED MR.BARACK HUSSAIN OBAMA , A BLACK AS PRESIDENT OF USA !!!!!
MR. LAVNYAMUR @ HAPPY HINDU ! YOU CLAIMED / BOASTED THAT YOU WERE AGAINST THE RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM EXCEPT CHUMBER ! WHAT HAD HAPPENED TO YOU ? PLEASE TAKE PROPER MEDICINE AND FULL FIL YOUR PROMISE , I WILL BE WITH YOU !!!!
C.L .CHUMBER said
Dilip Muralidaran said,
November 10, 2008 @ 12:17 pm
Chumber,
Listing my personal information proves how cheap you are.
lavanyamur said
THE INDO-ARYAN VEDIK HINDU YOUNG BLOOD GOING TO LEAD THE OLD BLOOD AS WELL AS CONTINUE TO DEFEND, GLORIFY AND WORSHIP EVEN THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS AS THEIR GODS !!!!!
AS LONG AS YOUR GOOD SELF WILL WORSHIP THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS AS GODS , YOUR RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY WILL ALSO BE KNOWN AS THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST COMMUNITY !!!!!
PLEASE LEARN FROM THE WHITE AMERICANS WHO ELECTED MR.BARACK HUSSAIN OBAMA , A BLACK AS PRESIDENT OF USA !!!!!
MR. LAVNYAMUR @ HAPPY HINDU ! YOU CLAIMED / BOASTED THAT YOU WERE AGAINST THE RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM EXCEPT CHUMBER ! WHAT HAD HAPPENED TO YOU ? PLEASE TAKE PROPER MEDICINE AND FULL FIL YOUR PROMISE , I WILL BE WITH YOU !!!!
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Mr.Crank,
Thanks for the offer. But no I can never need you.
So far everyone i know has only told this one thing – that you are mad.
You need to take medicine Chumber.
Btw, if you come to court, the lawyer says, you will still be examined by a Psychiatrist – to ascertain that you are not speaking under the influence of any mental illness. And she says it is very doubtful that you will declared normal…infact that was the reason she asked me not to waste time going after a lunatic like you….because the court will declare you insane and the case will go bust.
Dilip Muralidaran said
A profile contains personal information on every blogger page. if you don’t know this then you are illiterate of technology. i cannot help you on that. the government already helped you with 79% reservation but you choose to remain ignorant. a blogger profile is for a blogger to display in his site. cut & paste that information somewhere else accounts to invasion of privacy.
Oh btw, you visited my website to copy and paste that info, which means you are cheap by your own words.
C.L .CHUMBER said
C.L .CHUMBER said
Senior Registrar
Old Clapham Hospital, Manchester, U.K IS A ADDICTED FOLLOWER OF THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL INDO ARYAN VEDIK HINDU GODS WHO WROTE ON THE INSTRUCTIONS AND DICTATATION OF EVIL VAIDIK ABUSIVE HINDUS ! I WILL WRITE TO THE PRIME MINISTER OF UK TO CHECK HIS MENTAL LEVEL BECAUSE HIS INTEGRITY IS DOUBTFUL .HE HAD TO FEEL SORRY , OTHERWISE I WILL FILE A DEFAMATION CASE AGAINST HIM IN UK . IF HE WATCHED THIS BLOG , AS HE CLAIMED HE MUST CONDEMN THE EVIL GODS AND THEIR ABUSIVE EVIL FOLLOWERS !!!!!
I AM HAPPY TO INFORM ALL THAT M/S HAPPY HINDUS HAVE LOST THE E-BATTLE ! I AM ASHAMED TO BE AN INDIAN WHERE THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS ARE WORSHIPED AS GODS AND THEIR ABUSIVE VEDIK FOLLOWERS ARE DECLARING OTHERS MAD .IN THE MENTAL HOSPITALS THE MADS DECLARE OTHERS MAD .THE WAR AGAINST THE EVIL GODS AND EVIL FOLLOWERS IS IN A DECISIVE STAGE . SATYA MEV JAYATEY !!!!!
lavanyamura said
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Chumber,
Immediately go see a psychiatrist.
May any lawyer reading this, please take note.
[Chumber, my lawyer cousin was right after all....she said you will put in time and money, but the court will declare chumber mad and everything will go waste. There won't be a case left.
So Chumber, we too want you to be well. If you are not well, we cannot sue you. And I want to sue dalitnation through you, so you must become well ].
C.L .CHUMBER said
MR.LAVNYAMURA ! SHE IS NOT HAPPY WITH YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE ON THE SIDE OF THE RAPISTS AND EVERY CIVILIZED LADY HATES THE RAPISTS AND THEIR SUPPORTERS !!!!! SHE KNOWS VERY WELL THAT YOU AND YOUR GOOD SELF`S RAPIST GOD WILL LOOSE THE LEGAL BATTLE !!!!!
MR. LAVNYAMURA ! IMMEDIATELY GO TO YOUR FAMILY PSYCHIATRIST AND ASK THE NAME OF DISEASE TO THAT PERSON WHO IS RAPIST AS WELL WHO IS HIS ADMIRER !!!!!
I WAS WELL , AM WELL AND WILL BE WELL BUT YOU ARE NOT WELL FOR THE LAST FEW MONTHS THAT IS YOU ARE ABUSING ME . PERHAPS YOU HAVE ALLERGY WITH ME . I HAVE ALSO ALLERGY WITH EVILS AND EVIL PERSONS !!!!!
YOU MAY SUE ANY TIME . ON THE FIRST DAY IN THE COURT YOU HAVE TO FEEL SORRY FOR YOU VAIDIK ABUSES . WE WILL GIFT THESE ABUSES YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS ON YOUR BEHALF ESPECIALLY YOUR PARENTS WHO TRAINED YOU IN VAIDIK ABUSING PERFECTLY !!!!!
C.L .CHUMBER said
WHY ARE THE FOLLOWERS OF RAPIST GOD CELEBRATE TULSI-VIVAH ? ? ? ? ?
IN HINDU TEXTS , THOSE WHO HAVE RAPED HAVE ONLY BEEN BURNED TO ASHES !!!!! -MR. HAPPY HINDU @ LAVANYAMURA @ LAVANYA ( AND MANY MORE ILLEGAL NAMES ! ) .
BUT THE INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK BRAHMAN HINDU LADIES CELEBRATED THE TULASI-VIVAH CELEBRATIONS EVERYWHERE !!!!! ( THE HINDU GOD VISHANU RAPED WITH TULASI @ VARINDA W/O ADI-MAHAGURU JALANDHAR . REF. THE PADAM PURAN , TULSI-VIVAH MOOVIE OF DARA ACTOR AND DISTT. JALANDHAR ( PUNJAB ) GAZETEER ! ) .
WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF THE FOLLOWERS OF RAVNA START TO CELEBRATE SITA-VIVAH ? ? ? ? ? HINDU GOD RAM NEVER CONSIDERED SITA AS PURE EVEN SHE WAS ESTABLISHED PURE BY THE AGANI-PRIKSHA ! HE EVEN THEN BANISHED HER ON THIS CHARGE .HE EVEN ASKED SITA ABOUT HIS PURITY IN THE VALMIKI ASHRAM . THE INNOCENT AND PIOUS SITA HAD TO COMMIT SUICIDE TO GET RID OF RAM`S BASELESS BLAMES
C.L .CHUMBER said
I AM ASHAMED TO BE AN INDIAN WHERE THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS ARE WORSHIPED AS GODS AND THEIR ABUSIVE VEDIK FOLLOWERS ARE DECLARING OTHERS MADS .
IN THE MENTAL HOSPITALS THE MADS DECLARE OTHERS MADS .
AFTER LOOSING THE ABUSIVE WAR,NOW THEY HIRED MEDICAL DOCTORS !!!!!
THE WAR AGAINST THE EVIL GODS AND EVIL FOLLOWERS IS IN A DECISIVE STAGE . SATYA MEV JAYATEY !!!!!
lavanyamural said,
November 13, 2008 @ 5:11 pm
Chumber,
Am throughly ashamed but i do not want to say anything coz i do not want my words to be misused by you again.
Am posting this heartfelt appreciation for you Chumber: Despite my calling you such horrible names repeatedly, still you did not retaliate and call me names. You have more patience, more kindness and more perseverance than what i am capable of, Chumber. Be blessed (in whatever way that makes you happy).
Without using your “rapist, racist and fascist” terms for Gods, if you can simply come ahead and describe your concept of “God”, i would be very much willing to discuss various concepts with you on the sane human level. I hope you agree to this. Please make a conscious effort and do not allow your ego to reject this. Thanks.
http://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/dalits-must-agitate-for-reservation
C.L .CHUMBER said
ONCE A LAWYER DEBATED WITH ME ON SITA BANISHMENT !!!!!
HE ARGUED THAT SITA `S BANISHMENT WAS CORRECT !!!!!
I ARGUED THAT KING RAM DID NOT TELL HER FAULT !!!!!
HE DID NOT EVEN TELL HER PUNISHMENT !!!!!
HE TOLD SITA THAT LAKSHMAN WILL ACCOMPANY HER TO FULL FIL HER DESIRE TO VISIT THE PILGRIMAGES !!!!!
SHE ACCEPTED HIS HUSBAND`S PROPOSAL GLADLY .
SHE SAT IN THE CHARIOT WITH HER BROTHER-IN-LAW LAKSHMAN .
BUT LAKSHMAN SAID IN A REMOTE AREA OF A FOREST THAT RAM HAD DISCARDED YOU !!!!!
SITA SHOWED HER BELLY THAT SHE IS PREGNANT BUT QUARTER OF VISHANU`S INCARNATION LAKSHMAN DID NOT HEAR HER !!!!!
HE ( ADVOCATE ) STILL SAID THAT RAM DID RIGHT TO BANISH SITA !
THEN I SAID ,” YOU ARE NOT A JUDICIOUS MIND ! ”
HE WAS VERY MUCH DISTURBED ON MY ANALYSIS !
I CHALLENGED HIM TO LET US FIGHT SITA`S BANISHMENT CASE IN THE COURT !
HE BECAME MUM !
THEN I CHALLENGED HIM THAT I AM SORRY TO SAY YOUR WIFE IS CHARACTERLESS AND YOU CHALLENGE ME IN THE COURT !
HE SAID , ” HOW CAN YOU BLAME LIKE THIS WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE ? ”
I REPLIED AT ONCE ,” HOW DID RAM BANISHED SITA WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE ? DID HE GAVE HER CHANCE TO JUSTIFY HERSELF ? WAS THAT HENIOUS PUNISHMENT TO SITA JUSTFIED ? SHE MAY BE SENT TO HER PARENTS WHERE SHE MIGHT LIVE IN SAFETY ! ”
ADVOCATE SAID , ” I LOVE MY WIFE VERY MUCH AND SHE IS ALSO IN LOVE WITH ME . I CAN NOT HEAR BLAME ON MY WIFE AND I CONDEMN SITA`S BANISHMENT SEVERLEY ! YOU HAVE OPENED MY EYES AND MIND . THANK YOU .”
ONE DAY ,HE AND HIS WIFE MET ME IN THE MARKET. HER WIFE THANKED ME FOR MY VIEWS ! WE TOOK TEA WITH SWEETS . NOW , WE ARE FAST FRIENDS . WE DISCUSS EVERY MATTER ON SCIENTIFIC PARAMETERS OF ” HOW ,WHAT, WHEN , WHERE AND WHY .”
C.L .CHUMBER said
THIS MEDICAL REPORT IS THE BRAIN CHILD OF M/S HAPPY HINDUS !!!!!
IF IT IS DR. M.R. SATISH RAO `S REPORT , HE MUST GAVE HIS MOBILE / TELEPHONE NOs. , OFFICE / RESIDENTIAL / E-MAIL ADDRESSES AND WEBSITE NAME OF HIS HOSPITAL SO THAT MY FAMILY MEMBERS AND MY SYMPATHIZERS MAY CONSULT HIM !!!!!
HOW CAN I CONTACT THIS GENIUS PERSON WITHOUT HIS CONTACTS ? ? ? ? ?
Dr. M.R.Satish Rao said,
November 12, 2008 @ 8:21 am
Dear Friends,
( 1 ) I have been following the conversations here for some time.
As a clinical psychaitrist working as a registrar in Manchester NHS hospital, I can clearly pronounce that Mr C.L.Chumber has gone insane based on the evidence available through his posts.
MY ANSWER IS : – IS DR . M.R. SATISH RAO FOLLOWED THE CONVERSATION OF C . L. CHUMBER ( MY ) ONLY OR TOTALLY ? IF TOTALLY , THEN WHY DID HE PRONOUNCE HIS JUDGEMENT ONLY ON C . L. CHUMBER ? WHY NOT ON OTHERS ? THESE WERE NOT VIEWS . THIS WAS A MEDICAL JUDGEMENT TO DECLARE ON C.L.CHUMBER IN PERSON AND CONFIDENTIALLY . DOES YOUR MEDICAL NORMS AND ETHICS PERMIT YOU TO DO SO ? OR ARE YOU PAID FOR THIS BY ANYONE EXCEPT ME AND MY FAMILY MEMBERS ?
( 2 ) He needs help and compassion. I wish to ask the people here if they know the family members of Mr C.L.Chumber please tell them to admit him to a good psychatric ward.
MY ANSWER IS : -YOUR GOOD SELF CLAIMED , ” I have been following the conversations here for some time.” THEN YOU MUST READ MY TWO EMAIL ADDRESSES AND MY BIO-DATA ON LINKED POSTED ON THIS BLOG BY THE M/S HAPPY HINDUS . IF YOU SAY THAT YOU DID NOT READ , THEN YOU MAY SEND YOUR GOOD SELF`S SO CALLED MEDICAL REPORT TO THE ADMINISTRATOR OF THIS BLOG TO POST ME OR YOU MAY COLLECT MY E-MAIL ADDRESS FROM THEM BY REQUEST . I ASK YOUR GOOD SELF WHO HAD GIVEN YOU RIGHT TO CONTEMPT ME LIKE SUCH A HEINOUS CRIME ?
( 3 ) It is never too late. C.L. Chumber is in the middle stage of madness and his constant obsession with words like rape etc and continous repitition of the same themes in his posts clearly prove his insanity. Compunded to this Mr Chumber is also getting older and senile dementia has set in. If left untreated Mr Chumber can go into a permanent state of mental hallucination and madness.
MY ANSWER IS ; – YOUR WORDING ” his constant obsession with words like rape etc ” IS THE REPETITION OF M/S HAPPY HINDUS ` COMMENTS . I CAN PRODUCE THE SAME MORE THAN TWENTY TIMES FROM THE WRITINGS OF M/S HAPPY HINDUS !!!!! I HAD REFUTED THESE CHARGES BY SAYING THAT I ALWAYS WRITE ” RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST ” OR RAPEISM , RACISM AND FASCISM ” ! WHAT IS THE AUTHENTICITY OF YOUR GOOD SELF`S JUDGEMENT / MEDICAL REPORT ?
( 4 ) Mr Chumber also has lost most of his reasoning and cannot carry on intelligible conversations with people.
MY ANSWER IS ;- I AM HERE FOR THE LAST SIX MONTHS FOR REASONING WITH THE FOLLOWERS OF THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST INDO-ARYAN VEDIK HINDU GODS . YOUR GOOD SELF SAID ,” cannot carry on intelligible conversations with people. ” THE PEOPLE WHO CLAIM ” EVERY ONE IS AGAINST RAPEISM , RACEISM AND FASCISM except CHUMBER BUT WORSHIP,DEFEND AND GLORIFY THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS VAIDIK HINDU GODS AS WELL AS ABUSE ME WHO( CHUMBER ) IS AGAINST THE BOTH EVILS AND EVIL FOLLOWERS , ARE INTELLIGIBLE IN CONVERSATION BUT I AM NOT ! WHAT A PAID MEDICAL REPORT / JUDGEMENT !!!!! PLEASE READ THE REAL JUDGEMENT OF M/S HAPPY HINDUS :-
Am posting this heartfelt appreciation for you Chumber: Despite my calling you such horrible names repeatedly, still you did not retaliate and call me names. You have more patience, more kindness and more perseverance than what i am capable of, Chumber. Be blessed (in whatever way that makes you happy).
http://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/dalits-must-agitate-for-reservation-in-
( 5 ) Hence I request anyone here if you know the family members of Mr Chumber, please contact them and tell them about his sorry condition. He needs immediate treatment and confinement in a psychaitric ward.
MY ANSWER IS ; _ ” He needs help and compassion. I wish to ask the people here if they know the family members of Mr C.L.Chumber please tell them to admit him to a good psychatric ward.” IS A MENTALLY SOUND PERSON LIKE A DOCTOR REPEATS LIKE THIS TWICE ? DEAR VIEWERS CAN READ IN PARAGRAPH NO.2
( 6 ) He also needs to stay away from computers and internet for some time as he is inclined to start his mental recording of rapism, fascism etc.
MY ANSWER IS ; – THE SAME WORDING ” mental recording of rapism, fascism etc.” M/S HAPPY HINDUS WROTE ALREADY . THIS THE JUST RECORDING ( ! ) OF HIM NOT THE MEDICAL REPORT !!!!! THIS SHOWS THAT M/S HAPPY HINDUS HAVE LOST THEIR E-DIALOGUE WAR AND THEY NOW WANT TO CEASE WAR FOR WHICH THEY REQUESTED ME AND FELT SORRY FOR THEIR ABUSIVE LANGUAGE WHICH I PRODUCE HERE BELOW ;-
Am throughly ashamed but i do not want to say anything coz i do not want my words to be misused by you again.
Am posting this heartfelt appreciation for you Chumber: Despite my calling you such horrible names repeatedly, still you did not retaliate and call me names. You have more patience, more kindness and more perseverance than what i am capable of, Chumber. Be blessed (in whatever way that makes you happy).http://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/dalits-must-agitate-for-reservation-in-
THEY WANT TO KEEP ME AWAY FROM COMPUTER AND INTERNET SO THAT THERE MAY BE NO MORE WAR AGAINST THE RAPEISM , RACISM AND FASCISM AND THEY M/S HAPPY HINDUS MAY WORSHIP , DEFEND AND GLORIFY THE INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS .SO THAT THEY MAY DECLARE THAT ” AMBEDKAR WAS A FALSE GOD ” AND DISCARD HIM TO CHOOSE THE EVIL VAIDIK GODS !!!!!
( 7 )The treatment
Chumber should not be allowed to read books which talk of hatred and violence. he should instead be given to read romantic literature and poems of Shakesphere, Wordsworth, Kalidasa etc. No political books to Chumber. As a doctor I would have preferred him not to read at all but that is difficult as Chumber reads a lot of books and very habituated to reading. Reading is a good habit but in some cases like Mr Chumber it can lead to madness. He should stay away from books related to Hinduism, religion in general, Buddhism, Ramayana, Puranas, Ambedkar, Dalits etc. He can read murder mysteries and science fiction and watch movies on these subjects.
He should also stop reading the many newspapers he reads everyday. He is unable to handle and digest the news and current affairs information.
Chumber should practise watching cartoon movies like donald duck, tom and jerry etc. This will relax his stressed brain cells and CNS.
Chumber should follow a strict regimen of exercises like walking, yoga, pranayama.
Apart from ingesting the prescribed Benzodiapines like valium chumber should exercise caution in his dietary habits.
Chumber should also try to learn some musical instrument like violin, piano, table. It can give him a lot of relief.
Gardening for few hours a day is also a good activity for the patient.
MY ANSWER IS ; – DR . M.R. SATISH RAO INSTEAD OF PRESCRIBING ME THE MEDICINES , QUANTITY AND SCHEDULE OF TAKING IT , WROTE THE BANS OF MY READINGS ON BOOKS AND NEWS PAPERS .WHY ? BECAUSE I AM UNABLE TO DIGEST IT .
I AM TO SAY THAT I KEEP MYSELF WELL INFORMED BY READING NEWS PAPERS OF DIFFERENT LANGUAGES FROM DIFFERENT PLACES OF PUBLICATIONS , MAGZINES TO KNOW MORE INFORMATION ON MAIN ISSUES OF THAT PERIOD , BOOKS TO READ IN DEPTH STUDY , MEET THE PEOPLE TO DIAGONIZE THE SOCIETY TO WHOM WE TREAT TO MAKE THIS WORLD HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS ON THE BASIS OF EQUALITY , QUALITY , EQUITY , LIBERTY , FRATENITY AND JUSTICE !!!!!
AND THESE PEOPLE WANT TO BAN ON MY READING , MOVING AND EXPRESSING VIEWS MY FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS !!!!! AND THEY SUGGEST ME TO ” read romantic literature and poems of Shakesphere, Wordsworth, Kalidasa etc.- -He can read murder mysteries and science fiction and watch movies on these subjects.
Chumber should follow a strict regimen of exercises like walking, yoga, pranayama.
Apart from ingesting the prescribed Benzodiapines like valium chumber should exercise caution in his dietary habits.
Chumber should also try to learn some musical instrument like violin, piano, table. It can give him a lot of relief.
Gardening for few hours a day is also a good activity for the patient.
( 8 ) Mr C.L. Chumber has lead a responsible life and raised a good and healthy family. It would be unjust that at his old age he should fall prey to compulsive obsessive insanity. But with good treatment Chumber can spend his old age in a good quality lifestyle and peace.
Thanks.
Dr M.R.Satish Rao
Senior Registrar
Old Clapham Hospital, Manchester, U.K
MY ANSWER IS : – M/S HAPPY HINDUS ARE NOW CONVINCED THAT I AM A RESPONSIBLE PERSON AND RAISED A GOOD AND HEALTHY FAMILY BUT – -
lavanyamural said,
November 13, 2008 @ 5:11 pm
Chumber,
Am throughly ashamed but i do not want to say anything coz i do not want my words to be misused by you again.
Am posting this heartfelt appreciation for you Chumber: Despite my calling you such horrible names repeatedly, still you did not retaliate and call me names. You have more patience, more kindness and more perseverance than what i am capable of, Chumber. Be blessed (in whatever way that makes you happy).
Without using your “rapist, racist and fascist” terms for Gods, if you can simply come ahead and describe your concept of “God”, i would be very much willing to discuss various concepts with you on the sane human level. I hope you agree to this. Please make a conscious effort and do not allow your ego to reject this. Thanks. http://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/dalits-must-agitate-for-reservation-in
THIS MEDICAL REPORT IS THE BRAIN CHILD OF M/S HAPPY HINDUS !!!!! IF IT IS DR. M.R. SATISH RAO `S REPORT , HE MUST GAVE HIS MOBILE / TELEPHONE NOs. , OFFICE / RESIDENTIAL / E-MAIL ADDRESSES AND WEBSITE NAME OF HIS HOSPITAL SO THAT MY FAMILY MEMBERS AND MY SYMPATHIZERS MAY CONSULT HIM !!!!! HOW CAN I CONTACT THIS GENIUS PERSON WITHOUT HIS CONTACTS ? ? ? ? ?
mesquiteice said
You said “AM ASHAMED TO BE AN INDIAN WHERE THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS ARE WORSHIPED AS GODS AND THEIR ABUSIVE VEDIK FOLLOWERS ARE DECLARING OTHERS MADS .”
you dont even understand that that every bit of food you ate to talk like this was given my this country. Every bit of knowledge that you have was given by this country.
You are now shamelessly cursing our country. As far as i am concerned I dont know brahma or vishnu. But be careful when you talk about our country. Because i know and feel this every moment.
Have you ever felt the energy and the power when you sing the national anthem.
Please learn to be grateful. Dont throw shit on the face of our mother by telling that you are ashamed to be her son. What wrong did she do? even if there are bad people like me, she also gave birth to good people like you.
You should rever her, love her atleast not shame her publicly. Do you know how a mother feels when a son says he is ashamed to be his son.
Please dont talk like this. even if you feel such things keep it with you personally. These blogs are open to foreigners also. Why are you talking about her in a public place like this. What will foreigners think about her.
I hope you will not talk like this again.
PLEASE GET LOST IF YOU ARE ASHAMED.
C.L .CHUMBER said
lavanyamur said
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To me, this “winning” and “losing” exists nowhere. God is everywhere, including your ego that makes you seek such things. Your “winning” and me “losing” is what you have always been proclaiming. If this is what pleases your ego, so be it.
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I AM ASHAMED TO BE AN INDIAN WHERE THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS ARE WORSHIPED AS GODS AND THEIR ABUSIVE VEDIK FOLLOWERS ARE DECLARING OTHERS MADS .
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Unfortunately for you Chumber, I will continue to be a vedik follower. And you will need to continue to be ashamed.
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ADVOCATE SAID , ” I LOVE MY WIFE VERY MUCH AND SHE IS ALSO IN LOVE WITH ME . I CAN NOT HEAR BLAME ON MY WIFE AND I CONDEMN SITA`S BANISHMENT SEVERLEY ! YOU HAVE OPENED MY EYES AND MIND . THANK YOU .”
ONE DAY ,HE AND HIS WIFE MET ME IN THE MARKET. HER WIFE THANKED ME FOR MY VIEWS ! WE TOOK TEA WITH SWEETS . NOW , WE ARE FAST FRIENDS . WE DISCUSS EVERY MATTER ON SCIENTIFIC PARAMETERS OF ” HOW ,WHAT, WHEN , WHERE AND WHY .”
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Not sure if an advocate can suffer from cerebral myopia. Wonder if he became an advocate due to reservations, no wonder even lawyers prefer to leave the shores of our country to study and work overseas these days.
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C.L .CHUMBER said
I WILL COMPLAIN TO INTERPOL AGAINST YOUR GOOD SELF IF YOU DID NOT RELEASE THE SAME 15 MEDICAL REPORTS !!!!!
OR YOU SHOULD FEEL SORRY WITHIN A WEEK FOR YOUR FICTITIOUS MEDICAL REPORT TO DEFAME ME INTENTIONALLY !!!!!
C.L .CHUMBER said,
November 18, 2008 @ 10:42 am
C.L .CHUMBER said,
November 14, 2008 @ 10:12 am
I WILL ASK DR.M.R.Satish Rao ,Senior Registrar ,Old Clapham Hospital,
Manchester,UK TO ISSUE ALSO REPORTS -
( 1 ) ON WHOM WHO ABUSED ME .
( 2 )ON WHOM WHO WORSHIP THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS EVIL INDO-AYAN VAIDIK GODS !
( 3) ON WHOM WHO CONGRATULATE ON THE BIRTHDAYS OF THESE EVIL GODS (4 ) ON WHOM WHO ARE THE SLAVES OF THE EVIL FOLLOWERS OF THE EVIL GODS .
( 5 ) ON BRAHMA TRIED 5 TIMES TO RAPE HIS REAL DAUGHTER .WHO DISCARDED HIS WIFE AND MARRIED A BACKWARD CLASS GUJJAR GIRL GAYATARI WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF HER AND HER PARENTS .
( 6) ON VISHANU WHO RAPED VARINDA@TULASI W/O JALANDHAR ( REF. PADAM PURAN , TULASI-VIVAH MOVIE AND DISTT.JALANDHAR GAZETEER ) .
( 7 ) ON KARISHNA WHO DISCARDED HIS WIFE RUKMANI AND LOVED RADHA TO WHOM HINDUS WORSHIP BOTH .
( 8 ) ON RAM WHO DISCARDED HIS INNOCENT AND PIOUS WIFE SITA WHO WAS COMPELLED TO SUICIDE !
( 9 ) ON PARASHURAM WHO BEHEADED HIS MOTHER RENUKA AS DESIRED BY HIS FATHER JAMDAGANI .HE DID NOT ASKED THE REASON OR REQUESTED HIS FATHER TO PARDON HER .HE KILLED THE KASHTTRIYA VARNA ( ARYAN COMMUNITY ) 21 GENERATIONS AND PRODUCED THE NEXT EVERY GENERATION BY INTERCOURSING KSHATRIYA LADIES BY HIS
BRAHMAN VARNA / COMMUNITY`S YOUTHS !
( 10 ) ON VAMAN WHO DECEIVED BALI TO CAPTURE HIS KINGDOM .
( 11 ) ON NARSINGH WHO MISGUIDED PRAHLAD AND KILLED HIS FATHER , UNCLE AND AUNTIE .
( 12 ) ON INDIRA WHO RAPED MANY WOMEN EVEN RISHIS` WIVES AND OFTEN USES HIS KEEPS TO FINISH OPPONENTS
( 13 ) ON LAKSHMAN WHO ACCOMPANIED RAM AND SITA WITHOUT HIS NEWLY MARRIED WIFE URMILA FOR 14 YEARS .HE LEFT SITA IN FOREST UNGUARDED AND IN PREGNANCY !
( 14 ) ON FIVE PANDVAS WHO LOST THEIR CO-OPERATIVE WIFE DAROPADI TO KAURVAS IN GAMBLING !!!!
AND MANY MORE !!!!! WE WILL PAY HIS FEES BECAUSE DOCTORS RECEIVE THEIR CHARGES .
NOW THIS E-DIALOGUE WILL BE GLOBAL DUE DR RAO AND HIS FRIENDS !!!!!
BEFORE THIS IT WAS A BRAIN EXERCISE ONLY !!!!!
C.L .CHUMBER said
Lavanyamur said,
November 23, 2008 @ 10:49 am
Chumber,
Recently i took an oath kritam vadishyami and satyam vadishyami as part of something and no matter whether you believe me or not, from now on i can never lie or hide anything; and i seek to be accountable for my past mistakes.
http://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/why-babasaheb-married-a-brahmin/#comment-3506
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER ) COMMENTS : -
DEAR M/S HAPPY HINDUS ! WHAT IS YOUR STAND , CLARIFICATIONS ON THOSE ISSUES WHICH WE DISCUSSED ALREADY ?
BEFORE THIS YOU FELT PROUD OF RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU GODS !
WHAT IS YOUR LATEST STAND AFTER ” FROM NOW ON I CAN NEVER LIE OR HIDE ANYTHING ” ?
YOUR ABOVE STATEMENT( Lavanyamursaid,November 23,2008 @ 10:49 am http://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/why-babasaheb-married-a-brahmin/#comment-3506) IS CONTRADICTED BY YOUR SELF WITHIN 79 MINUTES LATER ( lavanyamur said ,November 23, 2008 @ 12:08 pm http://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/01/08/o-dalits-wake-up/#comment-3368)I WHEN YOUR GOOD SELF COMMENTED ON MY VIEWS ” I AM ASHAMED TO BE AN INDIAN WHERE THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS ARE WORSHIPED AS GODS AND THEIR ABUSIVE VEDIK FOLLOWERS ARE DECLARING OTHERS MADS “.
YOUR GOOD SELF COMMENTED AFTER OATH ,” Unfortunately for you Chumber, I will continue to be a vedik follower. And you will need to continue to be ashamed.”
THIS IS EVIDENT BY YOUR GOOD SELF`S STATEMENTS THAT YOU HAVE A FLICKERING MIND !!!!!
YOUR GOOD SELF AT LEAST HALF DOZEN TIMES REGRETTED ON YOUR BEHAVIOUR BUT YOU AGAIN REPEATED THE SAME BEHAVIOUR !!!!!
YOUR GOOD SELF IS NOT AWARE OF THE FACT THAT THE WORLD IS WATCHING OUR E-DIALOGUE AND VAIDIK ABUSES !!!!!
ONCE I REMINDED YOU THAT YOUR GOOD SELF IS GETTING VERY MUCH NEGATIVE MARKING !
NOW YOUR GOOD SELF WILL ABUSE , BLAME AND ISSUE FICTITIOUS MEDICAL REPORTS AGAINST ME BUT IT IS EVIDENT THAT YOU CLAIMED ” EVERYONE IS AGAINST THE RAPEISM , RACEISM AND FASCISM except CHUMBER ” .
PLEASE WATCH YOUR WRITINGS TO KNOW WHO IS PRO-” RAPIST RACEIST AND FASCIST INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK GODS ” ?
A TRUE GOVERNMENT , A TRUE GOD AND A TRUE SOCIETY WILL NEVER ALLOW THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS TO BE WORSHIPED , DEFENDED AND GLORIFYIED .
BY THE WAY I WANT TO KNOW YOUR LATEST STAND AFTER ” FROM NOW ON I CAN NEVER LIE OR HIDE ANYTHING ” ? ON THESE FOLLOWING ISSUES :-
( 1 ) ON WHOM WHO ABUSED ME .
( 2 )ON WHOM WHO WORSHIP THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS EVIL INDO-AYAN VAIDIK GODS !
( 3) ON WHOM WHO CONGRATULATE ON THE BIRTHDAYS OF THESE EVIL GODS (4 ) ON WHOM WHO ARE THE SLAVES OF THE EVIL FOLLOWERS OF THE EVIL GODS .
( 5 ) ON BRAHMA TRIED 5 TIMES TO RAPE HIS REAL DAUGHTER .WHO DISCARDED HIS WIFE AND MARRIED A BACKWARD CLASS GUJJAR GIRL GAYATARI WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF HER AND HER PARENTS .
( 6) ON VISHANU WHO RAPED VARINDA@TULASI W/O JALANDHAR ( REF. PADAM PURAN , TULASI-VIVAH MOVIE AND DISTT.JALANDHAR GAZETEER ) .
( 7 ) ON KARISHNA WHO DISCARDED HIS WIFE RUKMANI AND LOVED RADHA TO WHOM HINDUS WORSHIP BOTH .
( 8 ) ON RAM WHO DISCARDED HIS INNOCENT AND PIOUS WIFE SITA WHO WAS COMPELLED TO SUICIDE !
( 9 ) ON PARASHURAM WHO BEHEADED HIS MOTHER RENUKA AS DESIRED BY HIS FATHER JAMDAGANI .HE DID NOT ASKED THE REASON OR REQUESTED HIS FATHER TO PARDON HER .HE KILLED THE KASHTTRIYA VARNA ( ARYAN COMMUNITY ) 21 GENERATIONS AND PRODUCED THE NEXT EVERY GENERATION BY INTERCOURSING KSHATRIYA LADIES BY HIS
BRAHMAN VARNA / COMMUNITY`S YOUTHS !
( 10 ) ON VAMAN WHO DECEIVED BALI TO CAPTURE HIS KINGDOM .
( 11 ) ON NARSINGH WHO MISGUIDED PRAHLAD AND KILLED HIS FATHER , UNCLE AND AUNTIE .
( 12 ) ON INDIRA WHO RAPED MANY WOMEN EVEN RISHIS` WIVES AND OFTEN USES HIS KEEPS TO FINISH OPPONENTS
( 13 ) ON LAKSHMAN WHO ACCOMPANIED RAM AND SITA WITHOUT HIS NEWLY MARRIED WIFE URMILA FOR 14 YEARS .HE LEFT SITA IN FOREST UNGUARDED AND IN PREGNANCY !
( 14 ) ON FIVE PANDVAS WHO LOST THEIR CO-OPERATIVE WIFE DAROPADI TO KAURVAS IN GAMBLING !!!!
AND MANY MORE !!!!!
lavanyamuralidharan said
November 25, 2008 @ 7:01 am
BY THE WAY I WANT TO KNOW YOUR LATEST STAND AFTER ” FROM NOW ON I CAN NEVER LIE OR HIDE ANYTHING ” ? ON THESE FOLLOWING ISSUES :-
( 1 ) ON WHOM WHO ABUSED ME .
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You cannot abuse and then ask not to be abused. As mentioned before ‘evil’ such as you will continue to exist. You are the problem, not the solution.
( 2 )ON WHOM WHO WORSHIP THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS EVIL INDO-AYAN VAIDIK GODS !
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My Gods are within me. Outside of me, they still represent me and my various possible attributes. I will worship all of them. It is you who wants them to be so-called rapist or whatever, which they are not. You do not wish to be explained to, you want to believe only what you want to believe. Nobody can change you. Similarly, nobody can change me, or stop me from worshiping my gods.
( 3) ON WHOM WHO CONGRATULATE ON THE BIRTHDAYS OF THESE EVIL GODS (4 ) ON WHOM WHO ARE THE SLAVES OF THE EVIL FOLLOWERS OF THE EVIL GODS .
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Perhaps you can congratulate yourself for being the evil side of you.
( 5 ) ON BRAHMA TRIED 5 TIMES TO RAPE HIS REAL DAUGHTER .WHO DISCARDED HIS WIFE AND MARRIED A BACKWARD CLASS GUJJAR GIRL GAYATARI WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF HER AND HER PARENTS .
( 6) ON VISHANU WHO RAPED VARINDA@TULASI W/O JALANDHAR ( REF. PADAM PURAN , TULASI-VIVAH MOVIE AND DISTT.JALANDHAR GAZETEER ) .
( 7 ) ON KARISHNA WHO DISCARDED HIS WIFE RUKMANI AND LOVED RADHA TO WHOM HINDUS WORSHIP BOTH .
( 8 ) ON RAM WHO DISCARDED HIS INNOCENT AND PIOUS WIFE SITA WHO WAS COMPELLED TO SUICIDE !
( 9 ) ON PARASHURAM WHO BEHEADED HIS MOTHER RENUKA AS DESIRED BY HIS FATHER JAMDAGANI .HE DID NOT ASKED THE REASON OR REQUESTED HIS FATHER TO PARDON HER .HE KILLED THE KASHTTRIYA VARNA ( ARYAN COMMUNITY ) 21 GENERATIONS AND PRODUCED THE NEXT EVERY GENERATION BY INTERCOURSING KSHATRIYA LADIES BY HIS
BRAHMAN VARNA / COMMUNITY`S YOUTHS !
( 10 ) ON VAMAN WHO DECEIVED BALI TO CAPTURE HIS KINGDOM .
( 11 ) ON NARSINGH WHO MISGUIDED PRAHLAD AND KILLED HIS FATHER , UNCLE AND AUNTIE .
( 12 ) ON INDIRA WHO RAPED MANY WOMEN EVEN RISHIS` WIVES AND OFTEN USES HIS KEEPS TO FINISH OPPONENTS
( 13 ) ON LAKSHMAN WHO ACCOMPANIED RAM AND SITA WITHOUT HIS NEWLY MARRIED WIFE URMILA FOR 14 YEARS .HE LEFT SITA IN FOREST UNGUARDED AND IN PREGNANCY !
( 14 ) ON FIVE PANDVAS WHO LOST THEIR CO-OPERATIVE WIFE DAROPADI TO KAURVAS IN GAMBLING !!!!
AND MANY MORE !!!!!
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You are free to believe in anything you want to, you are also free to cook up anything you want to. And i am free to follow my path. I see you as a devolved “human” with animal instincts, far from human. There is nothing more to say to you. Bye and God Bless.
C . L . CHUMBER said
PLEASE DO NOT WORSHIP THE EVILS !!!!!
PLEASE DO NOT ABUSE ANY BODY IF YOU ARE STAUNCH FOLLOWERS OF EVILS !!!!!
Mesquiteice said,
December 1, 2008 @ 12:46 pm
Chumber,
I prefer mesquiteice-ul-haq.
Please read chapter 109
109:6 You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion
I wish to correct one more this. I did not write anything against Hazrat Mohammed. You are the one calling others Allah as bad. I only wanted to show you that problems are everywhere.
mesquiteice said,
November 25, 2008 @ 9:28 am
Chumber,
Please let me know your latest stand on:-
1) Why people pray to Allah
2) why people celebrate Allah’s birthday
3) Why Muhammed had intercourse with a small child
RAM KRISHAN SHARMA said
We feel sorry for abuses .Please do not mind the mindless people`s abuses .You are the greateness who do not abuse in return . The abusers do not belong to cultured families .
RAM KRISHAN SHARMA said
mesquiteice said,
December 2, 2008 @ 7:59 am
Ram Krishan Sharma,
Like you I also feel bad. Not only sanjam, a lot of others have also been abusing chumber. Some of them have even apologised and requested chumber to behave himself.
YOU ARE A GROUP OF ABUSER ADOLESCENTS MENTALLY .YOU APPOLOGESE AND THEN START TO ABUSE . WHAT IS WRONG IN MR. CHUMBER . WE MUST READ OUR SCRIPTURES AND BE THANKFUL TO HIM WHO CAUTIONED US .
But one thing you should you should understand is that Mr.Chumber, has been abusing everybody. How can Mr. Chumber who does not know how to respect others and their faiths ever be respected by others.
MR. CHUMBER PASTED YOUR ABUSES . YOU MAY PASTE HIS ABUSES BUT YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY AGAINST HIM EXEPT ABUSING HIM . YOU PEOPLE EVEN SAID ,” LAXMAN WILL RAPE CHUMBER`S MOTHER AND SISTERS .” IS THIS YOUR FAITH . YOU PEOPLE WROTE ” AMBEDKAR , KANSHI RAM AND CHUMBER`S FATHER WERE RAPISTS .” FIRST YOU DESERVE , THEN YOU DESIRE .
Give Respect and Take Respect
FIRST YOU DESERVE , THEN YOU DESIRE . ABUSERS CAN NEVER GET RESPECT EVEN FROM SLAVES .
I request your goodself to advice chumber to “Live and Let Live”.
I CAN NOT ADVISE MR. CHUMBER TO ” LIVE WITH PEOPLE LIKE YOU ” . I EVEN ADVISE HIM TO SHOOT THE HABITUAL ABUSER GANG SO THAT PEOPLE MAY LEARN A GOOD LESSON .
He is continously abusing other faiths, our country, the judiciary etc.
HE IS NOT ABUSING . HE SHED LIGHT ON OUR FILTHY RELIGIOUS , ADMINISTRATIVE AND JUDICIAL SYSTEMS WITH REFERENCES . HE HAS REPRODUCED THE LIST OF CORRUPT ONE SITTING JUDGE OF SUPREME COURT , 10 HIGH COURT JUDGES AND 25 DISTT. SESSION JUDGES FROM THE OUTLOOK NATIONAL WEEKLY MAGAZINE . DO YOU LIKE CORRUTION OR HONESTY .MR. CHUMBER IS VERY HONEST PERSON .
While i feel sorry for chumber as much as you do, how can we stop sanjam unless chumber stops abusing others faiths.
YOU ARE NOT HONEST . DO YOU LIKE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS .ONE THING IS CLEAR FROM THE WRITINGS OF CHUMBER , HE WILL NOT TOLERATE THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS AND HE WILL DEFINITELY PUT SANJAM LIKE PEOPLE BEHIND BARS . HE WILL MAKE YOUR LIFE HELL LEGALLY .WE ARE WITH TRUTH , OTHERWISE THE COMMUNAL HATERED FEELINGS WILL DEVELOP .
You said”Who have authorized him to abuse Mr.Chumber ”
I ask you “Who have authorised Mr. Chumber to abuse others faiths and gods and religions”
YOU ARE NOT HONEST . DO YOU LIKE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS .
Just like you i also know that Chumber is a potential champion. Let us hope that he will behave himself and create a atmosphere for everybody will respect him.
HE IS FIGHTING WITH YOU WITH DO OR DIE SPIRIT TO CREATE A ATMOSPHERE OF RESPECT TO EVERYONE . ABUSERS CAN GIVE NO RESPECT AND WILL GET DISRESPECT .WHEN MR. CHUMBER WILL PUT THIS HINDU GODS IN PRESS CONFERENCES AS HE ANNOUNCED WHAT WILL BE OUR STAND .HE WILL BE SURELY A CHAMPION LIKE OBAMA . I PRAY FOR IT .
Now as far as you are concerned ” Who have authorised you to represent entire community and humanity”. Please dont preach hatered. If you believe your gods are outdated that is your own belief.
YOU MUST KNOW THAT THE MODERN MAIN HINDU SAINTS ARE MAINLY SHUDRAS .IT IS TRUE THAT OUR GODS OUT OF DATE . NEITHER YOU NOR I AM REPRESENTATIVE OF ANY COMMUNITY . THE COMMUNITES ARE REBUILDING .I DO NOT PREACH HATERED .
Why are you using “OUR”. If you believe so you are free to choose which ever god you feel is on date. This why people did not like Chumber. Dont repeat the same things.
THE BAD PEOPLE DO NOT LIKE GOOD PEOPLE AND VICE VERSA .I LIKE AND RESPECT MR. CHUMBER LIKE REVOLUTIONARY THINKER .
Just like you feel that your god is outdated others feel that their gods are up to date.
WE LIVE IN A DEMOCRATIC WORLD . OBAMA BEING A BLACK WON THE WHITE HOUSE DUE TO HIS SLOGAN ” WE CAN DO .” RACISTS AND FASCISTS WILL BE DETHRONED EVERY WHERE WHETHER IN RELIGIOUS FIELD .
Did anybody ask you wheter their gods are upto date.
DID ANYONE ASK TO ANSWER TO MY VIEWS ?
We are all Indians. Learn to respect others and everybody will respect you.
THEN WHY ARE YOU OPPOSING MR. CHUMBER`S INTER-CASTE MARRIAGES IDEA ? AS FAR AS WE BELIEVE IN BRAHMA , WE CAN NOT RESPECT EACH OTHER DUE TO HIS CASIEST MENTALITY .
DO YOU RESPECT A RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST DEVILS ? I NEED RESPECT FROM RESPECTFUL PERSONS .
lavanyamuralidharan said
This post was meant for Mesquiteice, but i have taken the liberty to write on his behalf because i find that he has not replied / written anything on this so far and you have mentioned something about a “group” (so am answering):
YOU ARE A GROUP OF ABUSER ADOLESCENTS MENTALLY .YOU APPOLOGESE AND THEN START TO ABUSE . WHAT IS WRONG IN MR. CHUMBER . WE MUST READ OUR SCRIPTURES AND BE THANKFUL TO HIM WHO CAUTIONED US .
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Karthikeyan, Dilip and Sanjam did not apologize. I am the one that apologized to Chumber. Mesquiteice never abused anyone so far (is a truly dignified person). Chumber is under a mental hallucination that he is not an abuser and only others are abusers. Chumber is the biggest abuser of all. How will Chumber feel if we call Valmiki as rapist, racist and fascist?
You guys are politically-oriented, and you are writing your own history. You claim that Ram of Kabir is different from Ram of Ramayan. You are making up such lies to propagate divisions and hatered amongst Hindus. You guys are clearly anti-nationals and i am curious to know your funding sources since you have an office in the UK (are you funded by an evangelical organization?).
MR. CHUMBER PASTED YOUR ABUSES . YOU MAY PASTE HIS ABUSES BUT YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY AGAINST HIM EXEPT ABUSING HIM . YOU PEOPLE EVEN SAID ,” LAXMAN WILL RAPE CHUMBER`S MOTHER AND SISTERS .” IS THIS YOUR FAITH . YOU PEOPLE WROTE ” AMBEDKAR , KANSHI RAM AND CHUMBER`S FATHER WERE RAPISTS .” FIRST YOU DESERVE , THEN YOU DESIRE .
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Chumber is a baiter. He behaves in a manner that others will abuse him. Then he will claim that he is abused because he is a self-appointed SC / ST. Chumber is manipulative. He is capable of using Sanjam’s type of sickeing sexual language for others. I do not think Chumber pasted others’ abuses. He asked to be abused as a manipulative baiter in the first place, so that he can claim stuff based on that.
FIRST YOU DESERVE , THEN YOU DESIRE . ABUSERS CAN NEVER GET RESPECT EVEN FROM SLAVES .
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This is the reason why Chumber can never get respect.
I CAN NOT ADVISE MR. CHUMBER TO ” LIVE WITH PEOPLE LIKE YOU ” . I EVEN ADVISE HIM TO SHOOT THE HABITUAL ABUSER GANG SO THAT PEOPLE MAY LEARN A GOOD LESSON .
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You and Chumber are one and the same person. Chumber also mentioned about shooting brahmins previously. No new person can show the same level of maniac violence.
According to a lawyer, it is very clear that you (chumber) suffer from bipolar depression alternating b/w love and hatered (no matter what else Satish Rao says). He seeks unnatural levels of praise and self-gratification. But if praise and respect is what he looks for, he can get that in plenty if his aims are correct. It is a wonder that someone like chumber is a self-appointed political leader.
HE IS NOT ABUSING . HE SHED LIGHT ON OUR FILTHY RELIGIOUS , ADMINISTRATIVE AND JUDICIAL SYSTEMS WITH REFERENCES . HE HAS REPRODUCED THE LIST OF CORRUPT ONE SITTING JUDGE OF SUPREME COURT , 10 HIGH COURT JUDGES AND 25 DISTT. SESSION JUDGES FROM THE OUTLOOK NATIONAL WEEKLY MAGAZINE . DO YOU LIKE CORRUTION OR HONESTY .MR. CHUMBER IS VERY HONEST PERSON .
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He is alleging without basis. He is spreading canard lies about hindu faith; but does not want to extend his ‘research’ to islam or christianity. Anyone can reproduce an article published by any magazine. Just by reproducing an article, nobody can put on the facade of being honest. If he is truly honest, ask him to question bad practices in other religions also.
YOU ARE NOT HONEST . DO YOU LIKE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS .ONE THING IS CLEAR FROM THE WRITINGS OF CHUMBER , HE WILL NOT TOLERATE THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS AND HE WILL DEFINITELY PUT SANJAM LIKE PEOPLE BEHIND BARS . HE WILL MAKE YOUR LIFE HELL LEGALLY .WE ARE WITH TRUTH , OTHERWISE THE COMMUNAL HATERED FEELINGS WILL DEVELOP .
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You are nobody to decide who is honest or not. If chumber wants to live in his lies then that is his own problem. If he wants to put Sanjam behind bars, he is free to do so. From all his writings so far, if a case were to be filed, it is clear that chumber will be the one spending time behind bars until court declares him mad.
YOU ARE NOT HONEST . DO YOU LIKE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS .
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You are nobody to judge other people. You are obsessed with the words Rapist Racist, facsist; beacuse your own mental attitude leans towards it.
HE IS FIGHTING WITH YOU WITH DO OR DIE SPIRIT TO CREATE A ATMOSPHERE OF RESPECT TO EVERYONE . ABUSERS CAN GIVE NO RESPECT AND WILL GET DISRESPECT .WHEN MR. CHUMBER WILL PUT THIS HINDU GODS IN PRESS CONFERENCES AS HE ANNOUNCED WHAT WILL BE OUR STAND .HE WILL BE SURELY A CHAMPION LIKE OBAMA . I PRAY FOR IT .
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Chumber has a one sided attitude. He feels he is perfect. He imagines he is some big leader inside his mind. That itself shows he is mentally ill. He can go ahead with his press conference, burning scriptures, shouting slogans, proclaming his greatness, etc. No one cares.
YOU MUST KNOW THAT THE MODERN MAIN HINDU SAINTS ARE MAINLY SHUDRAS .IT IS TRUE THAT OUR GODS OUT OF DATE . NEITHER YOU NOR I AM REPRESENTATIVE OF ANY COMMUNITY . THE COMMUNITES ARE REBUILDING .I DO NOT PREACH HATERED .
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Dunno what is “modern ‘main’ hindu saints”, and no one cares what varna they are – our faith makes us worship them, that’s all…No hindu i know believes his / her Gods are out of date. You are saying “I do not preach hatered” exactly in the same manner as Chumber. It is obvious that you (chumber) is posting under the name of Ram Krishan Sharma. And Chumber, you ARE preaching hatered.
THE BAD PEOPLE DO NOT LIKE GOOD PEOPLE AND VICE VERSA .I LIKE AND RESPECT MR. CHUMBER LIKE REVOLUTIONARY THINKER .
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If Chumber thinks he is a ‘good person’, it is about being crazy…
WE LIVE IN A DEMOCRATIC WORLD . OBAMA BEING A BLACK WON THE WHITE HOUSE DUE TO HIS SLOGAN ” WE CAN DO .” RACISTS AND FASCISTS WILL BE DETHRONED EVERY WHERE WHETHER IN RELIGIOUS FIELD .
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You are talking like mad person by linking obama with dethroning gods.
DID ANYONE ASK TO ANSWER TO MY VIEWS ?
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Then why are you arguing on chumber’s behalf here?
THEN WHY ARE YOU OPPOSING MR. CHUMBER`S INTER-CASTE MARRIAGES IDEA ? AS FAR AS WE BELIEVE IN BRAHMA , WE CAN NOT RESPECT EACH OTHER DUE TO HIS CASIEST MENTALITY .
DO YOU RESPECT A RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST DEVILS ? I NEED RESPECT FROM RESPECTFUL PERSONS .
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Inter-caste marriage is not some “Chumber’s idea’. Nobody has any right to preach whom they must or must-not marry. When children do not even listen to their parents these days, you must be hallucinating to believe they will listen to you.
You are confused between Brahma, Brahman and Brahmin and you are thinking all are same. Only a fool will belive that someone by name of Brahma created caste system (which is what you keep repeating).
With your level of ability to hate, ability to live in ignorance, ability to spread lies and fool poor people, HOW can anyone respect you?
Shashank Pasi said
C.L.CHUMBER said
C.L.CHUMBER said
happyhind said
January 16, 2009 @ 11:02 am
Chumber,
You are raising an entire generation that will think caste system is the reason for their poverty and seek revenge on innocent people like you are doing.
http://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/09/10/brahmin-deception-through-dalai-lama-part-1/
C.L.CHUMBER said
THE HINDUSTAN TIMES ( 25TH JAN.,2009 ) PUBLISHED A BOOK REVIEW BY ASHOK ROW KAVI ON ” BEYOND BOUNDARIES -SAME SEX LOVE IN INDIA ” WRITTEN BY RUTH VANDITA ,SALEEM KIDWAI ( PENGUIN * RS. 295 * PP 370 ) .THE HEADING OF BOOK REVIEW IS ” GAY , AND LOVING IT – FROM SHIVA TO BABUR , THIS BOOK UNCOVERS INDIA`S OFT-DENIED HOMOSEXUAL PAST .
THE REVIEW RECORDS ,” Here , for the first time , Ruth Vanita takes a deliberate and determined look at Hindu sacred literature to pry open the amazing array of same-sex loving deities .The birth of Skanda ( from the root Skjandri which means leap or spilled ) Kumara , Murugan is clearly explained as as a birth from SEX BETWEEN TWO MALE DEITIES . The highly promiscuous Shiva is shown as not only having a wife Parvati who gives birth to Ganesh parthenogenetically ( without the need for male semen ) , but spills semen into another male god , Agni , who in turn finds it too hot to handle .
” Everything from ” Sikhandi`s Sex Change ” in the Mahabharta , to the secret Chapter in Padam Purana that orthodox Hindus refuse to accept because it shows a powerful relationship between Krishna and Arjun , is going to upset the VHP hot heads . The translation by Kumkum Roy , that Ruth only quotes , not comments on , is an impeccable one – Arjuna after a sacred bath , TURNS INTO THE BEAUTIFUL ARJUNI WHO THEN CONSORT WITH KRISHNA !”
C.L.CHUMBER said
happyhind said
January 23, 2009 @ 12:58 am
Chumber,
What we are doing is personal abuse to pressure you in.
http://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/not-white-tiger-but-the-black-panther-of-dalits-for-india/#comment-4422
happyhind said
It is mad people who cannot differentiate between love and rape.
Its a good thing when people make love instead of war…but ofcourse your mind cannot process it bcoz it is madly obsessed with rape and vaidik abuse.
Stop shouting and provide detials of the case.
Or accept that you are the same Chumber who works in Aaj Tak, writes in Ambedkar Times, give your complete residential address here, Voter’s ID number, PAN number, and accept that everything you have written here are your own words.
C.L.CHUMBER said
happyhind said
January 27, 2009 @ 9:54 am
Chumber,
It is mad people who cannot differentiate between love and rape.
C.L.CHUMBER said
IS IT THIS CIVILIZED WAY TO PRESSURIZE ANY ONE BY ABUSING AND BLAMING AS YOUR GOOD SELF CLAIMED ?
WHY ARE YOU EXPECTING THAT I WILL FILE A COURT CASE AGAINST YOU AS I HAD ALREADY WROTE – ” YOU ARE NOT FIT FOR LEGAL FIGHT .
I WROTE THAT THE SUPREME COURT DELIVERED JUDGMENT ” IF ANY ONE CALL ANOTHER PERSON IDIOT , HE/SHE WILL BE PUT BEHIND BARS .” YOU INTENTIONALLY ABOUT THREE DOZEN TIMES IDIOT TO ME .DO YOU HAVE FAITH IN JUDICIARY ? ”
I AM THE SAME PERSON OF THIS BLOG , THE PUNJAB AAJ TAK AND WEBSITE AMBEDKARTIMES.COM . NOW WHAT YOU WANT . YOU HAVE MY FULL POSTAL ADDRESS AND EMAIL ADDRESS ALSO .NOW I FIRMLY PROOVE . GO AND FILE CASE SO THAT THE JUDGE WILL DELIVER HIS / HER JUDGMENT WETHER YOUR GOOD SELF`S GODS ARE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS BASED ON HINDU SCRIPTURES OR NOT !!!!!
happyhind said
January 27, 2009 @ 9:54 am
Chumber,
It is mad people who cannot differentiate between love and rape.
Its a good thing when people make love instead of war…but ofcourse your mind cannot process it bcoz it is madly obsessed with rape and vaidik abuse.
Stop shouting and provide detials of the case.
Or accept that you are the same Chumber who works in Aaj Tak, writes in Ambedkar Times, give your complete residential address here, Voter’s ID number, PAN number, and accept that everything you have written here are your own words.
http://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/01/08/o-dalits-wake-up/#comment-4531
hh said
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Who cares if its male or female…….its better than your violent tendencies, your hatered, your wanting to seek revenge, creating hatered in people’s hearts against one community, not being genuinly bothered about poverty, doing things only for selfish political mileage, being mad, being a bad liar, being so cowardly..
C.L.CHUMBER said
THANKS .I WILL WRITE IN DETAILS IN RESPONSE TO YOUR GOOD SELF `S VIEWS .
sshama said
February 1, 2009 @ 11:32 am
http://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/01/08/o-dalits-wake-up/
hh said
You too can join Chumber in a mental asylum to discuss amazing, thrilling, exciting and interesting things on the subject of casteism. Please inform if you wish to pursue your interest in earnest. If yes, please inform your residential address and full name.
We will ensure that you are put in the same room as Chumber. Both of you can scrutinize microscopic details together. Am sure this sounds fun for you.
Btw, Chumber is going in for the haul since he has a TADA background and it is easy to get him charged for disruptive acts. How about you? Can you be booked under intellectual lunacy?
C.L.CHUMBER said
The males and females are to enjoy sex as well as to produce the next generation !!!!!
hh said
January 30, 2009 @ 11:32 pm
A MALE KRISHNA`S LOVE WITH A FEMALE RADHA CAN BE UNDERSTOOD BUT A MALE KRISHNA`S LOVE WITH A MALE ARJUNA CAN NOT BE UNDERSTOOD !!!!! – C.L.CHUMBER
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Who cares if its male or female…….its better than your violent tendencies, your hatered, your wanting to seek revenge, creating hatered in people’s hearts against one community, not being genuinly bothered about poverty, doing things only for selfish political mileage, being mad, being a bad liar, being so cowardly..
C . L . CHUMBER said
THE GOVERNMENT / POLICE DARED NOT TO ARREST ME .
I AM NOT CONVICTED BY ANY COURT IN ANY CASE !!
YOU MAY BE BOOKED FOR ADVOCATING FOR THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS EVIL GODS AS WELL AS ABUSING AND BLAMING THOSE WHO FIGHT AGAINST THESE EVILS !!!!
YES , YOUR GOOD SELF MAY ALSO BE BOOKED UNDER INTELLECTUAL LUNACY
AS YOU CLAIMED TO BE AGAINST THE RAPEISM BUT ABUSING AND BLAMING THOSE WHO FIGHT AGAINST THE RAPISTS GODS !!!!!
hh said
February 2, 2009 @ 3:02 pm
SShama,
Btw, Chumber is going in for the haul since he has a TADA background and it is easy to get him charged for disruptive acts. How about you? Can you be booked under intellectual lunacy?
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDU !
IF THE GOVERNMENT / EXECUTIVE BOOK YOU UNDER TADA / MOKA , YOU WILL NOT BE TREATED OR DECLARED AS TERRORIST UNLESS THE COURT DELIVER JUDGEMENT AGAINST YOU . AND IT IS YOUR RIGHT TO APPEAL IN THE HIGHER COURT AGAINST THIS JUDGEMENT .
YOUR ADVOCATES RELATIVES MUST HAD TOLD YOU .
HOW DID YOU DECLARE ME TERRORIST WITHOUT ANY COURT JUDGEMENT ?
HOW WILL YOU FEEL IF SOME ONE SPEAK / WRITE THAT YOU RAPED YOUR MOTHER / SISTER / DAUGHTER ( I RESPECT YOUR FAMILY LADIES AS MOTHER / SISTER / DAUGHTER ACCORDING TO THEIR AGES ! )
YOU DO NOT KNOW THE LAW . YOUR WIFE MAY EVEN FILE A CASE AGAINST YOU IF YOU INTERCOURSE WITH HER WITHOUT HER CONSENT .
YOU SHAMEFULLY STAND FOR RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS ( HAVING PROOFS IN YOUR SCRIPTURES ! ) AND DECLARE TERRORISTS OTHERS . ARE YOU JUDGE OF A COURT ESTABLISHED BY THE CONSTITUTIONAL PROCEDURE ? ? ? ? ?
YOU HURTED MY SENTIMENTS AND DIGNITY DAILY PERSONALLY !
YOU ARE THE REAL MANUWADI TERRORIST WHO DEFEND THE RACISTS AND FASCISTS EVIL GODS .
YOU ARE WRITING LIKE A CUNNING FELLOW . THIS IS THE HISTORIC DEBATE AND YOU WILL BE MARKED NEGATIVE TOTALLY .
PLEASE NOTE IT THAT YOUR FUTURE GENERATIONS WILL FEEL ASHAMED OF YOUR ABUSING , BLAMING HABITS AND FLICKERING MIND !!!!!
hh said
February 2, 2009 @ 2:45 pm
Chumber,
So you are a terrorist booked for terrorist acts and disruptive activities…
http://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/a-letter-to-narendra-modi/#comment-4695
hh said
Who gave you the right to insult other people’s sentiments and dignity then?
How did you call brahmins as terrorist without any proof? Look below:
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C,L.CHUMBER said
June 11, 2008 @ 5:30 am
THERE ARE NO BIGGER TERRORISTS THAN BRAHMINS !!!!!
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How did you call MR Rao a terrorist without any proof? See this:
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MR. M. R. SATISH RAO ! PLEASE RELEASE MEDICAL REPORTS ON THESE FOLLOWING PERSONS ALSO , OTHERWISE YOU ARE AN UNETHICAL INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU TERRORIST DOCTOR !!!!!
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Why does it hurt you that atleast 4 people on this blog called you a terrorist…lol. Truth pricks inside, doesn’t it?
You are not able to differentiate b/w personal abuse and criminal activity because of your mental illness. Come to court and prove how good you are and how bad everyone else is.
We are giving you a golden oppotunity to prove all the lies you have been spreading about hindu scriptures. Why are you afraid?
If you have not lied, then give your TADA case file number or proof of identity.
We have every right to ask your details because you are a self-appointed “statesman” (lol). We stand for equality.
Four economically-poor people are filing a case against you. Two are Hindus, One is a Christian and the other a Muslim. The fifth one filing a case against you is me. Other such as Dilip may additionally file cases as well.
Cases are being prepared to file against You-Rajshekhar-Dalitnation on the following grounds:
1) 5-295A: Deliberate and malicious acts intended to outrage religious feelings of any class by insulting its religion or religious beliefs.
2) 298: Uttering words with deliberate intent to wound religious feelings.
[for promoting enemity between members of various religious communities,
And for insulting hindu gods, vandalizing hindu scriptures and prohibitting the performance of hindu worship].
3) 504: Intentional insult with intent to provoke breach of the peace:
[for repeatedly insulting religious sentiments and tacit approval of use of violence].
4) 501: Printing or engraving matter defaming hindu scriptures.
5) 126: Committing depredation on territories of Power at peace with the Government of India:
[For inciting divisions between Indians and Tibetans and playing with the emotions of the Tibetan Refugees in India].
6) 153B: Imputations, assertions prejudicial to national integration:
[For calling freedom fighters as communal people]
7) 509: Word, gesture or act intended to insult the modesty of a woman:
[for wrongly quoting the Manusmirthi on rape with the intension to intice women of a particular community into politically prescribed forced marriages].
9) 503: Criminal intimidation:
[For threatening to make misuse of your SC status to file a case against me].
10) Hurting the Freedom of Conscience and Freedom to freely practice religion.
11) Appeal for TADA to be filed again based on Section 153-A: for writings and creative activities that promote disharmony or feelings of enmity, hatred or ill will between different religious, racial, language or regional groups, or castes or communities.
12) Causing mental distress by preventing economic growth::
[You are making politics out of religion and not helping the poor in anyway . You admitted eliminating poverty is not your priority].
You have not answerd this so far:
Manusmrithi / PadmaPuran:
a) Where in the Manusmrithi / PadmaPuran there is any right to rape?
b) Why did you propagate this idea without reading the original texts?
c) Why did you specifically use this to target women of brahmin community ‘to remove them from varna’?
Valmiki Ramayan:
a) Where in the Ramayan has Valmiki spoken badly abour Ram?
b) Where in Ramayan or anywhere did Valmiki speak about “dynamatizing the system’ and removing varna?
Indian Constitution:
a) Where in the constitution has the Indian government banned Vishnu and Hindu Gods?
b) Where in the constitution does it say that Hindus cannot worship in their own way or follow their faith.
Law:
a) Who gave you the legal right to call our gods rapists, racists and fascists?
b) Who gave you the legal right to make politics out of the Ramayan?
c) Who gave you the right to interefere in anyone’s faith?
C . L . CHUMBER said
THE BRAHMINS AS COMMUNITY ARE ESTABLISHED DREADED EVER TERRORISTS
WHO INVENTED AND MAINTAINED THE WORST EVER CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM AND ALL THEIRS GODS AND THEIRS INCARNATIONS ARE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS !!!!!
FOR PROOFS READ YOUR OWN SCRIPTURES !!!!!
THE CONSTITUTION BANNED RAPES , UNTOUCHABLETY ON CASTE BASE AND FASCIST ACTIVITIES !!!!!
YOU NEED ANY BIG JUDGMENT THAN THE CONSTITUTION ? ? ? ? ?
hh said
February 5, 2009 @ 1:00 pm
Chumber,
Who gave you the right to insult other people’s sentiments and dignity then?
How did you call brahmins as terrorist without any proof? Look below:
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C,L.CHUMBER said
June 11, 2008 @ 5:30 am
THERE ARE NO BIGGER TERRORISTS THAN BRAHMINS !!!!!
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How did you call MR Rao a terrorist without any proof? See this:
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MR. M. R. SATISH RAO ! PLEASE RELEASE MEDICAL REPORTS ON THESE FOLLOWING PERSONS ALSO , OTHERWISE YOU ARE AN UNETHICAL INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU TERRORIST DOCTOR !!!!!
http://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/01/08/o-dalits-wake-up/#comment-4770
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDU !
I HAVE ALREADY REPLIED BUT YOU DID NOT NOTICED AS YOU ARE ALWAYS BUSY IN ABUSING AND BLAMING GAME TO MAKE OTHER HINDUS HAPPY !!!!!
YOUR GODS RAPED YOUR COMMUNITIES LADIES AND YOU ARE AGAINST YOUR BRAHMIN LADIES BUT I AM IN THEIRS SUPPORT !!!!!
BE ASHAMED OF YOUR DIRTY TACTICS !!!!!
C.L.CHUMBER said
January 27, 2009 @ 3:24 am
3.8 Sex
The Authors of the Hindu scriptures never considered sex as a taboo “For the twice-born men, at first, a woman of the same Caste is approved for marrying; but those who act from lust, lower Castes women may be in order (aswives). A Shudra woman alone is the wife of the Shudra; but she and a woman of his own Caste are legally wives of a Vaishya; they two (Shudra and Vaishya) and also woman of his own Caste are wives of a Kashatriya; these three (Kashatriya, Vaishya and Shudra) women and a woman of his own Caste are the wives of the Brahman.”36
http://www.ambedkartimes.com/dsnuk.htm#e
http://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/26/narendra-modi-and-the-fall-of-hindutva/#comment-4764
hh said
February 5, 2009 @ 1:00 pm
Chumber,
You have not answerd this so far:
Manusmrithi / PadmaPuran:
a) Where in the Manusmrithi / PadmaPuran there is any right to rape?
b) Why did you propagate this idea without reading the original texts?
c) Why did you specifically use this to target women of brahmin community ‘to remove them from varna’? http://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/01/08/o-dalits-wake-up/#comment-4773
hh said
You had not replied anything.
You only quoted Balley’s stupid books.
Give me the proof from the original scriptures.
Are you not ashamed of your filthy lies?
If you are not a coward, then come and face us in court. Give your personal proof of identity.
C. l . CHUMBER said
QUESTION: Politicians we spoke to in Delhi say that if the BSP gets too belligerent they will finish you politically.
KANSHI RAM: WE WILL FINISH THEM .BECAUSE IF INDIRA CAN BE FINISHED BY A CHAMAR, ARE THESE FELLOWS GOING TO BE SAVED? WHEN WE ARE 90 PERCENT IN THE ARMED FORCES, 70 PER CENT IN THE BSF, 50 PER CENT IN THE CRPF AND THE POLICE, WHO CAN DO INJUSTICE TO US? A GENERAL NEEDS LESS BULLETS COMPARED TO JAWANS .THEY MAY HAVE GENERALS BUT NO JAWANS.
QUESTION: Are you advocating an eye for an eye?
KANSHI RAM: TWO EYES .I tell my followers Ek Eet Ka Jawab, Do Pathron Se ( you must retaliate for one brick with two stones ) , otherwise you are not my followers .
QUESTION: So you are propagating violence.
KANSHI RAM: I am propagating strength. To curb violence, I must have strength .
COURTSEY : The Illustrated Weelkly Of India , Mumbai , March 8 , 1987 .
C . L . CHUMBER said
1.THE INDIAN CONSTITUTION GAVE ME FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT TO EXPRESS MY VIEWS BY WRITING & SPEAKING ! YOUR SCRIPTURES CONFIRM YOUR GODS AS RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS AND I AM JUST WRITING ON THE BASIS OF THESE SCRIPTURES .
2.WHERE DID I MADE POLITICS ON RAMAYNA .YOU ASK MR. L.K. ADVANI WHO IS MAKING POLITICS OUT OF THE RAMAYNA !
3.I AM NOT INTERFERING IN YOUR FAITH .BUT YOU HAVE BLIND FAITH IN THE EVIL GODS . PLEASE BELIEVE IN FAITH NOT IN BLIND FAITH .
hh said
February 5, 2009 @ 1:00 pm
Chumber,
Law:
a) Who gave you the legal right to call our gods rapists, racists and fascists?
b) Who gave you the legal right to make politics out of the Ramayan?
c) Who gave you the right to interefere in anyone’s faith?
http://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/01/08/o-dalits-wake-up/#comment-4842
C . L . CHUMBER said
IF I HAD NOT REPLIED ANYTHING THEN YOU READ DR. AMBEDKAR BOOK ” RIDDLES OF HINDUISM ” PUBLISHED BY MAHARSHTRA GOVERNMENT IN ENGLISH AND READ MR. BALLEY BOOK IN HINDI ! YOU WILL GET THE LIST OF ORIGINAL SOURCES IN A BOOK , THEN GO TO ANY BOOK SHOP AND ORDER FOR THE ORIGINAL SOURCES !!!!!
THE STUPIDS ARE THOSE WHO WORSHIP THE EVIL GODS !!!!!
hh said
February 10, 2009 @ 1:21 pm
Chumber,
You had not replied anything.
You only quoted Balley’s stupid books.
Give me the proof from the original scriptures.
http://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/01/08/o-dalits-wake-up/#comment-4843
C . L . CHUMBER said
The Talibans have captured some area of the Pakistan and Pakistan is fighting for survival – Mr.Zardari , Prsident of Pakistan .
OUR COMMENTS ( c.l.chumber ) : Mr. Nathu Ram Godse wrote his will ,” The river Indus ( Sindhu ) , on the banks of which our pre-historic Rishis composed the Vedas is the Boundry of our Bharatvarsha i.e. Hindustan .My ashes may be sunk in the Holy Sindu river when she will again flow freely under the aigis of the flag of Hindustan.That will be the sacred day for us .It hardly matters EVEN IF IT TOOK A COUPLE OF GENERATIONS FOR REALISING MY WISH . PERSERVE THE ASHES TILL THEN , AND IF THAT DAY WOULD NOT DAWN IN YOUR LIFE TIME , PASS ON THE REMAINS TO POSTERITY FOR TRANSLATING MY DESIRE INTO REALITY ! ” .Mr. Godse signed this statement on 14th Nov.,1949 and was executed on 15th Nov.,1949 for murdering Mr. M.K. Gandhi .( ref. May it Please Your Honour by Nathu Ram Godse , Surya Bharati Parkashan, Nai sarak , New Delhi , Ph.3266412 ).
M/s. Godses killed Mr. Gandhi a Bania third class in manuwadi system to establish the Manuwadi system under a Brahmin Mr.J.L.Neharu who arranged to got elected more than 50 percent Brahmin MPs .Now , we come to Mr. Barrack Hussain Obama cabinet where Manuwadis succeeded but how many representaion to Indian Sikhs , SCs/OBCs , Muslims ! And they ( Manuwadis) manipulated US government to stop aids to Pakistan to weaken economically to fulfil the will of Mr. Nathu Ram Godse !!!!!
We admit that Pakistan is a mismanaged state but India is also where the aboriginal Indians are still slaves and live in hell !!!!! Is it not true ? ? ? ? ?.
http://www.ambedkartimes.com/
h said
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/feb/26/blog-court-india-website
Chumber, be warned.
We are not asking you to be a hindu. You are free to choose any religion you want.
You have no right to threaten others not to follow hinduism.
You have no right to vandalize the hindu scriptures with your falsehood; and hurt religious sentiments.
You have no right to misuse and misguide the economically poor people with your falsehood.
If you are capable of mugging up the vedas and living a brahmin’s life, good for you. There are people who tried and gave up. So, people like me need a brahmin. You have no right to tell us what we should do.
If you people really wanted, you could have ensured there is not one person living in poverty in the country. But all you do is seek self-promotion and election platform based on caste, religion and such rubbish. Politicians are the biggest curse to the country.
kumarpushp said
C . L .CHUMBER said
Bloggers battle India’s supreme court over prosecution for internet threats
Outrage online as computer student faces criminal intimidation charges for anonymous comments on social networking site
Comments (4)
* Randeep Ramesh in Delhi
* guardian.co.uk, Thursday 26 February 2009 12.26 GMT
* Article history
A boss blogging
Many bloggers vented their fury over the case. Getty Images
India’s supreme court is facing the wrath of the country’s bloggers over the prosecution of a student because of anonymous comments published on a social networking group he created.
The computer science student, named as Ajith D, was arrested over allegations that death threats had been posted on his “anti-Shiv Sena” group on Google’s networking site, Orkut. The 20-year-old also faces charges of criminal intimidation and hurting religious sentiments.
The Shiv Sena (Army of Shiv) is a political party that made its name in the 1990s for populist policies that were anti-Muslim and favoured locals over outsiders. Its leader, Bal Thackeray, has been quoted as admiring Hitler.
Mumbai police had been monitoring the site since the Sena staged violent protests against Orkut for carrying anti-party statements, vandalising cybercafes across Mumbai. Officers contacted federal authorities in Delhi before bringing charges.
In response, the lawyer representing the student asked the supreme court to quash the case, saying his client had published nothing provocative. However India’s chief justice, KG Balakrishnan, refused the application saying: “We will not do that. Anything that is posted on the internet goes to the public. The internet is open to the world.”
The case highlights how India, the world’s largest democracy, deals with the thorny issue of freedom of speech on the internet. A law about to arrive on the statute books places the onus for publishing material on the web, not on hosts of the material, such as Google’s Orkut service, but on individuals who create blogs and websites.
“The difficulty here is that my client did not make the threats. He simply set up a community group and left it unmoderated,” Jogy Scaria, Ajith’s lawyer, said. “He only created the anti-Shiv Sena site.”
Orkut is one of India’s most popular social networking sites and many bloggers vented their fury online. “I am not able to gather how it is possible that bloggers can be hit with libel and criminal suits on the basis of anonymous postings on their websites,” wrote one on Ekawaaz-One Voice.
Lawrence Liang, India’s foremost authority on freedom of speech on the internet, wrote about the case on Kafila.org.
“When organisations like the Shiv Sena start using defamation laws, it smacks of chutzpah to me … What other way can we describe the bizarre situation of the violence-prone macho men, who suddenly run around screaming about the violation of their legal rights and the slurring of their reputation?”
India’s constitution guarantees freedom of expression as long as this does not extend to libel, national security, contempt and a broad category of public morality – which includes “hurting religious sentiments”.
Pranesh Prakash of Bangalore’s centre for internet and society, a thinktank specialising in web civil rights, said the internet had allowed “everyone to become a publisher but not the awareness of what responsibilities of a publisher. The way the law is dealing with it is highly problematic.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/feb/26/blog-court-india-website
hh said
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People like you live in India to weaken India economically. Khalistan group was funded by Pakistan. Now you Khalistan sympathizers Paki-lovers have become self-appointed dalits talking about hindu religion.
Stupid retards who cannot understand simple stuff like tribal-caste stuff explained again and again, will connect Godse to Pakistan and Obama in their showering lunacy.
You are only fit to pick up a gun and shoot. Which is what you guys do everywhere, right from Palestine to Pakistan. That’s the only thing a pea-brain is capable of. Don’t blame it on Quran or any religion. Poor religion. You guys will abuse any religion.
hh said
IF I HAD NOT REPLIED ANYTHING THEN YOU READ DR. AMBEDKAR BOOK ” RIDDLES OF HINDUISM ” PUBLISHED BY MAHARSHTRA GOVERNMENT IN ENGLISH AND READ MR. BALLEY BOOK IN HINDI ! YOU WILL GET THE LIST OF ORIGINAL SOURCES IN A BOOK , THEN GO TO ANY BOOK SHOP AND ORDER FOR THE ORIGINAL SOURCES !!!!!
THE STUPIDS ARE THOSE WHO WORSHIP THE EVIL GODS !!!!!
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Ambedkar depended on translated works. Translations at that time were mostly done by westerners. One section of the british encouraged screwed up translations.
Ambedkar did not even understand buddism properly. If he had, he would have ensured integration into mainstreams forms of buddhism instead of creating conflict-based navayana.
If Ambedkar had directly tried to convert dalits to islam or christianity, there would be no room left for him to create religion-based or caste-based politics anymore.
Am asking you now to quote from the original works. Do that. Then talk. Or shut up and stop spreading falsehood.
In the meantime, if worshipping my god and gods seem like stupidity to you, so be it.
You politician guys are not fit for any religion. You will misuse any religion. And yes, if you want to talk about islam and christianity, am game for it. Probably am more of a muslim at heart than you are. So far i have been talking to you as any hindu would. Every single one of us in most ways prefer to see faith in love and humanity as God. Nobody wants a politician to dictate faith to us. So your barking changes nothing.
Dilip Muralidaran said
I’m waiting, bring it on. The power of the infidel shall be upon you
Brahmin said
pclm said
New Delhi, March 12, 2009: Of late the Church in India is stressing on inter religious dialogue. While this step by the Church in India looks innocence but it is full of dangerous pitfalls and is a ploy to divert the attention of other religious communities from the actual issues of conversion.
The Catholic Church is organizing a meeting on inter religious dialogue at Mumbai to discuss how to proceed in this matter. The moot question is who are the people behind this move? Little probe would reveal that fanatic Christian Taliban type leaders like Dr. John Dayal , Dr. Joseph D’Souza, Mr. Sajan George, Rev. Fr. Dominic Emmanuel, Rev.K.P.Yohannan and others have been spreading lot of false information about Hindus that they are “violent people” and that there is no “ salvation outside the Christianity”.
If there is no Moksha or “salvation” for the followers of other religions and only Christianity is the way of salvation through the organized church then the question arises why the inter religious dialogue ? “Inter religious dialogue must be with open mind and without hidden agenda” pleads Mr. P B. Lomeo, a ‘Christian journalist’ of long standing and member National Governing Board of PCLM. This view is also supported by R.L. Francis, President of Poor Christian Liberation Movement (PCLM).
Human rights activists and writer Joseph Gathia when contacted to respond on the inter religious dialogue stated that in an era of globalization and identity conflict peaceful coexistence of all religion is the only way out. Mr. Gathia further mentioned that “Indian culture is assimilating and people of all faiths are living here hence any effort of inter religious dialogue must be free from ulterior motives”
For inter religious dialogue one needs to practice living with the Hindu , Muslim and Sikh brethren and stop poaching the “souls” from these religion. But the fact remains that Christian Taliban type leaders in India are engaged in converting Hindus, Sikhs (in Punjab and Chattisgarh) and Muslims (in Kashmir) and Buddhist (in Leh –Laddakh).
For real inter religious dialogue “hidden agenda activities “would have to be stopped. Next, to create atmosphere of respect for all religion the Christian educational institutions ought to give admission to Muslims children, children of non -Christian tribals and Hindu Dalits. Are they ready for it? Can Christian Taliban’s really enter into a inter-religious dialogue?
kumarpushp said
hh said
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Brahmin,
Well said.
Me too wud support it, provided Maywati does not keep calling herself a Chamari and does not keep emphasizing on caste as a factor for her becoming a prime minister.
With probs like unemployment, no roads, power cuts, dirt strewn all around, insufficient number of schools / universities, reservations, what not….the last thing any idiot can do is to seek or cast a vote based on caste.
We just want a good, capable administrator as a chief/prime minister, who can handle all these issues well.
No one cares if a dalit eats beef or if a brahmin observes fasts…all their practices are unto their own selves. Nobody has any right to interfere or ask anyone to change their practices or insult their faith / religious sentiments. Faith is personal and private.
Mayawati needs to stop talking about caste; and then ask for votes based on how much development she has generated so far / can generate in future.
kumarpushp said
kumarpushp said
hh said
Why don’t you just give your address? Ask your dalitnation to publish it openly. Give your full name also, mr.mullah.
C . L . CHUMBER said
hh said
March 23, 2009 @ 5:00 pm
Kumarpushp@Kureela,
Why don’t you just give your address? Ask your dalitnation to publish it openly. Give your full name also, mr.mullah.
C . L . CHUMBER said
February 27, 2009 @ 3:10 pm
People like you live in India to weaken India economically.
MY ANSWER IS : I am Indian citizen by birth and you Brahmin Aryans are foreigners . How can I weak my country in any way ? You Aryan people are traders as well as parasite on Indian economy !
( 2 ) Khalistan group was funded by Pakistan. Now you Khalistan sympathizers Paki-lovers have become self-appointed dalits talking about hindu religion.
MY ANSWER IS : The Khalistan movement was sponsered by the Indira Gandhi government and party .There are numerious documentary proves .You may read Mr.M.K. Dhar, Joint Director book ” Inside CBI story ”
(3) Stupid retards who cannot understand simple stuff like tribal-caste stuff explained again and again, will connect Godse to Pakistan and Obama in their showering lunacy.
MY ANSWER IS : What is the proof that you are genius and not stupid ? What I wrote about Godse followers and Pakistan future is true .The Aryans have betrayed India through Mr. PV Narsimha Rao and allianced with the INTERNATIONAL CAPITALISTS !!!! Is it not true ? The Manuwadi capitalist government dared to support the Rs. Fifteen thousands crores fraudelent M/S Satyam Infosys !!!!! You blamed ,” People like you live in India to weaken India economically .” But the reality is reverse .
( 4 ) You are only fit to pick up a gun and shoot. Which is what you guys do everywhere, right from Palestine to Pakistan.
MY ANSWER IS : You are a terrorist bent of mind who can not do dialogue .Have you any proof which you blamed ? I may blame that you have illicit relations with your family ladies if you blame me without any proof and reasoning !!!!!
( Five ) That’s the only thing a pea-brain is capable of. Don’t blame it on Quran or any religion. Poor religion. You guys will abuse any religion.
MY ANSWER IS : I earlier cleared that I never blamed / abused any religion . Yes , I dared to expose the rapist , racist and fascist Gods which happened to be Hindu Gods !!!!! Recently , a Miran Road , Mumbai based bussinessman raped his real daughter for nine years on the advice of a tantrik and on the advice of same tantrik he tried to rape his second daughter for prosperity .His elder victim daughter informed the police . The police registered FIR against parents and the tantrik and got police remand from the court .Mr. Happy Hindu ! please worship that bussinessman who is the incarnation of your God Brahma to whom you worship , glorify and defend !!!!! Please do not follow Brahma to rape your daughter !!!!! Beware rapist , racist and fascist Gods and their followers !!!!!
kumarpushp said
hh said
A retarded dunce like you certainly needs to be thrown either into jail or into a mental asylum.
Just provide your TADA case file number. Don’t play fool and try to escape.
C . L . CHUMBER said
February 28, 2009 @ 7:45 am
Ambedkar depended on translated works. Translations at that time were mostly done by westerners. One section of the british encouraged screwed up translations.
MY ANSWER IS : Dr. Ambedkar read Sanskrit in School . Whatever he wrote with Sanskrit books translated in English quoted is authenticated . The Westener writers did a marvelous job in literature by translaing the Sanskrit literature to finish the monoply of the Brahmins on these scriptures .
( 2 ) Ambedkar did not even understand buddism properly. If he had, he would have ensured integration into mainstreams forms of buddhism instead of creating conflict-based navayana.
MY ANSWER IS : Dr. Ambedkar countered the Brahminism with the Kashttriya religion – Budhism .He preached equality , liberity , fraternity to counter manuwad ! He accepted the Budhism suited to the opperessed class .
( 3 ) If Ambedkar had directly tried to convert dalits to islam or christianity, there would be no room left for him to create religion-based or caste-based politics anymore.
MY ANSWER IS : This is false totally . He adressed a press conference in Nagpur on 13th October before his conversion that He would not be a member of his political party the Scheduled castes Federation .There is correspondece between socialist leader Dr. Manohar Lohia and Dr. Ambedkar to form the Republican Party but his wife and her associates killed him .Dr. Ambedkar struggled hard throughout his life to anihilate the caste system and he and other dalit leaders were succeded declaring varna system illegale ultimately .He exposed even the Brahma , Vishanu and their incarnations who invented and maintained caste / varna like filthy system .
(4 ) Am asking you now to quote from the original works. Do that. Then talk. Or shut up and stop spreading falsehood.
In the meantime, if worshipping my god and gods seem like stupidity to you, so be it.
You politician guys are not fit for any religion. You will misuse any religion. And yes, if you want to talk about islam and christianity, am game for it. Probably am more of a muslim at heart than you are. So far i have been talking to you as any hindu would. Every single one of us in most ways prefer to see faith in love and humanity as God. Nobody wants a politician to dictate faith to us. So your barking changes nothing.
MY ANSWER IS : You are not fit for dialogue .I have sympathy for you as your parents and society did not train you how to talk with others gentally . But I will regard you whether you blame or abuse me ! I treat you as child mentally .http://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/dalits-must-agitate-for-reservation-in-private-sector/
C . L . CHUMBER said
( 1 ) WHO INVENTED CASTE / VARNA LIKE FILTHY SYSTEM !
( 2 ) WHO IMPLEMENT CASTE / VARNA LIKE FILTHY SYSTEM !!
( 3 ) WHO FOLLOW THIS CASTE / VARNA LIKE FILTHY SYSTEM !!!
(4) WHO CRUSH THE HUMANITY BY IMPLEMENTING CASTE / VARNA LIKE FILTHY SYSTEM !!!!
( FIVE ) WHO DEFAME THOSE WHO OPPOSE THIS CASTE / VARNA LIKE FILTHY SYSTEM !!!!!
Dilip Muralidaran said
March 3, 2009 @ 10:47 am
Lol! This is getting interesting. I would love to debunk some Islam, Christianity a nd Hinduism Hallucinations at one shot + bullshitter terrorists like the ones named Chumber and his fake ID’s like kumarpush and whatever all sort of idiots that clog this blog space.
I’m waiting, bring it on. The power of the infidel shall be upon you
C . L . CHUMBER said
( 2 ) THE BRAHMIN WORLD IS A FILTHY WORLD !!
( 3 ) THE BRAHMIN WORD MUST BE BANNED AND THE BRAHMIN WORLD MUST BE SUBSITUTED BY THE INDIAN CONSTITUTION IN PRACTICE !!!
( 4 ) THERE MUST BE INTER CASTE / INTER VARNA MARRIAGES COMPULSIRY LEGALLY TO ” Let’s forget caste/regional differences and build a United India where every individual be he Brahmin or Sudra, Kshatriya or Vaishya, Muslim or Christian, get an equal voice and equal democratic right -all I ask in return is you should love the country you were born in .” !!!!!
( FIVE ) Why are you BRAHMINS filled with so much poison in your hearts AND NOT STRUGGLE TO ANNIHILATE THE CASTE / VARNA LIKE FILTHY SYSTEM AND DENOUNCE THE EVEL GODS ?
Brahmin said
March 7, 2009 @ 11:38 pm
Why are you people filled with so much poison in your hearts? If Mayawati or any suitable Dalit leader aspires to be Prime Minister, I for one would fully support their rise. Let’s forget caste/regional differences and build a United India where every individual be he Brahmin or Sudra, Kshatriya or Vaishya, Muslim or Christian, get an equal voice and equal democratic right -all I ask in return is you should love the country you were born in, not take the help of outsiders to fragment it.
hh said
A retarded dunce like you certainly needs to be thrown either into jail or into a mental asylum.
Just provide your TADA case file number. Don’t play fool and try to escape.
C.L. CHUMBER said
hh said
March 30, 2009 @ 8:39 am
Chumber,
A retarded dunce like you certainly needs to be thrown either into jail or into a mental asylum.
Just provide your TADA case file number. Don’t play fool and try to escape.
hh said
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Good, then you bring Ambedkar’s translations and I will bring hindu monks to court. Let the hindu monks interpret and explain. Let us see which one is correct.
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MY ANSWER IS : Dr. Ambedkar countered the Brahminism with the Kashttriya religion – Budhism .He preached equality , liberity , fraternity to counter manuwad ! He accepted the Budhism suited to the opperessed class .
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Ambedkar should have converted dalits into regular buddhism. He was not a monk to make a new form of (political) buddhism without understanding anything in buddhism.
Ambedkar was as much a shrewd politician as you are. He created a vote bank for himself using religion.
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MY ANSWER IS : This is false totally . He adressed a press conference in Nagpur on 13th October before his conversion that He would not be a member of his political party the Scheduled castes Federation .There is correspondece between socialist leader Dr. Manohar Lohia and Dr. Ambedkar to form the Republican Party but his wife and her associates killed him .Dr. Ambedkar struggled hard throughout his life to anihilate the caste system and he and other dalit leaders were succeded declaring varna system illegale ultimately .He exposed even the Brahma , Vishanu and their incarnations who invented and maintained caste / varna like filthy system .
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Look dude, no matter how much you shout, the bottomline is that Ambedkar created a vote bank for himself. That’s all. If he was genuinely concerned for social upliftment, he should have merged all dalits into mainstream buddhism.
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MY ANSWER IS : You are not fit for dialogue .I have sympathy for you as your parents and society did not train you how to talk with others gentally . But I will regard you whether you blame or abuse me ! I treat you as child mentally .http://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/dalits-must-agitate-for-reservation-in-private-sector/
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Chumber, you are nobody to decide who is fit for dialogue. I am considering you a mad man suffering from megalomania, and bipolar disease. Just come to court and prove all your allegations as true. If the judge himself does not call you an idiot, then I will accept that you are not an idiot.
C.L.CHUMBER said
March 31, 2009 @ 9:47 am
( 1 ) Good, then you bring Ambedkar’s translations and I will bring hindu monks to court. Let the hindu monks interpret and explain. Let us see which one is correct.
MY ANSWER IS : IT IS NOT NECESSARY THAT A WRITER WHO KNOWS MORE THAN ONE LANGUAGES WILL TRANSLATE .HE REFERRED ENGLISH BOOKS SO THAT ENGLISH KNOWN PEOPLE MAY READ THE ENGLISH TRANSLATIONS OF HINDU SCRIPTURES .IF DR. AMBEDKAR MISQUOTED OR THE TRANSLATIONS ARE WRONGS , YOU MAY POINT OUT ! WE ARE CORRECT AND YOU ARE ALWAYS WRONG IN DIALOGUE . READ YOUR COMMENTS , ABUSES AND BASELESS BLAMES !!!!!
( 2 ) Ambedkar should have converted dalits into regular buddhism. He was not a monk to make a new form of (political) buddhism without understanding anything in buddhism.
Ambedkar was as much a shrewd politician as you are. He created a vote bank for himself using religion.
MY ANSWER IS : THE MANUWAD / HINDUISM IS A SOCIO-ECONOMIC-POLITICAL STRATEGY TO EXPLOIT THE ABORIGINAL INDIANS ! IT IS NOT A RELIGION ! ITS FOUNDERS BRAHMA , VISHANU AND THEIR INCARNATIONS WERE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS ! DR. AMBEDKAR DENOUNCED THE RELIGION OF THE EVIL GOS AND EVIL FOLLOWERS !
YOU SHOULD NOT COMPARE ME WITH DR. AMBEDKAR ! HE NULLIFIED THE CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM OF BRAHMA AND VISHANU BY THE INDIAN CONSTITUTION !!!!! YOU PEOPLE HAVE MONEY AND BANKS BUT WE HAVE VOTES AND VOTE BANKS !!!!!
( 3 ) Look dude, no matter how much you shout, the bottomline is that Ambedkar created a vote bank for himself. That’s all. If he was genuinely concerned for social upliftment, he should have merged all dalits into mainstream buddhism.
MY ANSWER IS : MR. HAPPY HINDU ! YOU HAVE NO COMMON SENSE HOW TO TALK WITH OTHERS DUE TO YOUR MANUWADI BENT OF MIND .DR. AMBEDKAR`S BUDDHISM IS FAR FAR BETTER THAN THE RELIGION OF THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS !!!!!
( 4 ) Chumber, you are nobody to decide who is fit for dialogue. I am considering you a mad man suffering from megalomania, and bipolar disease. Just come to court and prove all your allegations as true. If the judge himself does not call you an idiot, then I will accept that you are not an idiot.
MY ANSWER IS : YOU MAY GO TO COURT AND YOU WILL BE PUT BEHIND BARS LIKE MR. VARUN GANDHI HINDU FUNDAMENTALIST !
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First you said Ambedkar knew Sanskrit. Now you are saying Ambedkar referred to English books.
Ambedkar merely played politics with religion and caste. He set the trend for the rest of you guys. That’s all.
If you are correct, then please show me where in Manu smrithi is rape allowed or endorsed. You alleged that Manusmrithi allows rape. You also alleged the same thing with Padma Purana. Prove to me that rape is endorsed by any hindu scripture.
You are just a cheapskate politcian lying thru your teeth.
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MY ANSWER IS : THE MANUWAD / HINDUISM IS A SOCIO-ECONOMIC-POLITICAL STRATEGY TO EXPLOIT THE ABORIGINAL INDIANS ! IT IS NOT A RELIGION ! ITS FOUNDERS BRAHMA , VISHANU AND THEIR INCARNATIONS WERE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS ! DR. AMBEDKAR DENOUNCED THE RELIGION OF THE EVIL GOS AND EVIL FOLLOWERS !
YOU SHOULD NOT COMPARE ME WITH DR. AMBEDKAR ! HE NULLIFIED THE CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM OF BRAHMA AND VISHANU BY THE INDIAN CONSTITUTION !!!!! YOU PEOPLE HAVE MONEY AND BANKS BUT WE HAVE VOTES AND VOTE BANKS !!!!!
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You yourself are not an aboriginal Indian. You are an indo-aryan punjabi. Give me your blood sample, i will prove to you what you are.
If you come to south india and call yourself a dravidian or as aboriginal indian, they will laugh at you and call you as a madman.
Again you want to lie about hindu gods, you will be booked for hurting religious sentiments and inciting communal hatered. A chepio lunatic like you certainly needs to be locked up in a mental asylum or prison.
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MY ANSWER IS : MR. HAPPY HINDU ! YOU HAVE NO COMMON SENSE HOW TO TALK WITH OTHERS DUE TO YOUR MANUWADI BENT OF MIND .DR. AMBEDKAR`S BUDDHISM IS FAR FAR BETTER THAN THE RELIGION OF THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS !!!!!
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Cut the crap. Just give me reference to your allegations. Quote from the original texts. Show me any verse from any hindu religious scripture that allows rape or fascism or racism.
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MY ANSWER IS : YOU MAY GO TO COURT AND YOU WILL BE PUT BEHIND BARS LIKE MR. VARUN GANDHI HINDU FUNDAMENTALIST !
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Why don’t you just provide your TADA details? You already have a criminal background. Now you are trying to become a politician.
You lied that you filed a case in some “people’s parliament”
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I do not want to move RTI just to get your TADA details. Anyways you will need to declare it on election affidavit
You are not a TADA victim. You people make others your victims. That is why you are booked under TADA for terror / disruptives acts.
You yourself have accepted that you are a dog. Why not seek treatment for your mental hallucination of human as a dog ?
C.L.CHUMBER said
FIR CAN BE REGISTERED AGAINST ANY PERSON WITH OR WITHOUT PREJUDICE BUT THE REAL ACCUSED IS TO WHOM THE COURT ESTABLISHED BY INDIAN CONSTITUTIONAL SYSTEM DECLARE ACCUSED .
THE PERSON LIKE YOU WHO WORSHIP PARSHURAM LIKE BIGGEST EVER TERRORIST IN THE UNIVERSE , CAN NOT TALK LIKE THIS !!!!!
I AM HONEST ( AS YOU ADMITTED ( http://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2009/02/09/mayavathi-as-pm-the-change-has-arrived/#comment-5440),DEMOCRATE AND LAW BINDING CITIZEN OF INDIA .
hh said
April 2, 2009 @ 5:29 am
C.L.CHUMBER said
hh said
April 1, 2009 @ 8:06 am
C . L . CHUMBER said
NOWADAYS , S. JARNAIL SINGH , A PRESS REPORTER OF THE DAINIK JAGRAN HINDI DAILY , NEW DELHI IS BEING HONOURED BY THE SIKH SOCIETY FOR THROWING SHOE ON MR. P. CHIDAMBRAM , UNION HOME MINISTER OF INDIA IN THE PRESS CONFERENCE AT DELHI .HE WAS EVEN HONOURED BY S. AVTAR SINGH MAKKAR , PRESIDENT ,THE SHIROMANI GURDWARA PARBANDHAK COMMITTEE , AMRITSAR .
THERE IS A PROVERB ” PEN IS MIGHTIER THAN SWORD “. BUT AN IRANIAN JOURNALIST THROWN SHOE ON MR. BUSH THEN THE PRESIDENT OF USA TO SHOW THE RESENTMENT . S. JARNAIL SINGH ALSO THROWN SHOE TO SHOW RESENTMENT ON THE PASSIVE LEGAL SYSTEM OF INDIA REGARDING SIKH RIOTS 1984 AD .A RETIRED PERSON ALSO THROWN A SHOE ON THE KURUKSHETRA CONGRESS M.P.MR. NAVIN JINDAL .
WHEN WE WERE STRUGLING HARD TO LIBERATE SAHIB KANSHI RAM FROM THE CLUTCHES OF THE MANUWADI SYSTEM ADMITTED IN THE BATRA HOSPITAL , NEW DELHI , ONE OF OUR SUPPORTER MR. TEJ SINGH DEMONSTRATED UNDER THE BANNER OF THE JUTA ( SHOE ) BRIGADE IN JUNE , 2004 !!!!!THIS WAS A VERY INTERESTING AND WAS HIGHLIGHTED BY THE PRESS .
I AS A MAIN SPEAKER IN THE BIRTHDAY FUNCTION OF SWAMI ACHHUTA NAND JI MAHARAJ FOUNDER OF THE ADI-HINDU SABHA ON 6TH MAY , 2008 AT KANPUR HIGHLIGHTED THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE SHOE IN OUR FREEDOM MOVEMENT .THE AUDIENCE REALIZED AND APPLAUDED ME .THE MANUWADI PEOPLE WROTE A BOOK ” SWAMI JUTA NAND ” AGAINST THE SWAMI ACHHUTA NAND JI .
I THINK LIKE MR. GANDHI`S SALT MOVEMENT , THERE SHOULD BE THE SHOE THROWING MOVEMENT AGAINST THE ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL FORCES !!!!!
ONE DAY WILL COME WHEN THE DALITS WILL THROW SHOES ON THE SHANKRACHARYAS WHO ARE CUSTODIANS OF THE CASTE / VARNA LIKE FILTHY SYSTEM . THE DALITS WILL THROW SHOE ON THE HINDU MANUWADI TEMPLES WHERE THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST ARE WORSHIPED !!!!!
WE BELIEVE IN PEACE BUT NOT ON THE COST OF CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS !!!!!
C . L . CHUMBER said
http://www.hindu.com/2009/04/27/stories/2009042759911000.htm
C . L . CHUMBER said
If BJP or Congress will fail to form the government at centre with the alliance with other non-BJP or Non-Congress parties then they will both form the government !!!!! This will be a wonder .
Dear viewers ,
As we wrote that there is a unholy alliance between the Congress and BJP in the Sikkim state to counter the Sikkim Democratic Alliance ! Mr. Madhav an ideologue of BJP / RSS wrote in March 2008 that Congress and BJP must alliance to counter the non-Congress and non-BJP parties .
Now Mr. Advani manuwadi said ,” If the leftist parties think that the third front will come to power at the centre then there will be no big misunderstanding than this .”
Now it is crystal clear that there is a secret understanding between the Congress and BJP .They both are misguiding the Indian voters .If BJP or Congress will fail to form the government at centre with the alliance with other non-BJP or Non-Congress parties then they will both form the government !!!!! This will be a wonder .
Sahib Kanshi Ram in a speech on 7th April , 1987 in a BSP rally at Chandigarh proclaimed that our opponents will unite as soon as we will be stronger than them . In a press conference at Hoshiarpur ( Punjab ) on 29th April , 2009 ,The vigilant Sikhs condemned both BJP and Congress and appealed the masses to vote for non-BJP and non-Congress parties to become these parties rulers at the centre which we already appealed about three months ago in the http://dalitnation.wordpress.com .
We are proud of our idea which will annihilate the Brahminism and capitalism to some extent !!!!!
C . L . CHUMBER said
Manchester,UK ETHICALLY OR PHYSICALLY ALIVE OR EXPIRED ? ? ? ? ?
C.L .CHUMBER said
November 14, 2008 @ 8:57 am
I WILL ASK DR.M.R.Satish Rao ,Senior Registrar ,Old Clapham Hospital,
Manchester,UK TO ISSUE ALSO REPORTS -
( 1 ) ON WHOM WHO ABUSED ME .
( 2 )ON WHOM WHO WORSHIP THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS EVIL INDO-AYAN VAIDIK GODS !
( 3) ON WHOM WHO CONGRATULATE ON THE BIRTDAYS OF THESE EVIL GODS (4 ) ON WHOM WHO ARE THE SLAVES OF THE EVIL FOLLOWERS OF THE EVIL GODS .
( 5 ) ON BRAHMA TRIED 5 TIMES TO RAPE HIS REAL DAUGHTER .WHO DISCARDED HIS WIFE AND MARRIED A BACKWARD CLASS GUJJAR GIRL GAYATARI WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF HER AND HER PARENTS .
( 6) ON VISHANU WHO RAPED VARINDA@TULASI W/O JALANDHAR ( REF. PADAM PURAN , TULASI-VIVAH MOVIE AND DISTT.JALANDHAR GAZETEER ) .
( 7 ) ON KARISHNA WHO DISCARDED HIS WIFE RUKMANI AND LOVED RADHA TO WHOM HINDUS WORSHIP BOTH .
( 8 ) ON RAM WHO DISCARDED HIS INNOCENT AND PIOUS WIFE SITA WHO WAS COMPELLED TO SUICIDE !
( 9 ) ON PARASHURAM WHO BEHEADED HIS MOTHER RENUKA AS DESIRED BY HIS FATHER JAMDAGANI .HE DID NOT ASKED THE REASON OR REQUESTED HIS FATHER TO PARDON HER .HE KILLED THE KASHTTRIYA VARNA ( ARYAN COMMUNITY ) 21 GENERATIONS AND PRODUCED THE NEXT EVRY TOME BY INTERCOURSING KASHATTRIYA LADIES BY HIS BRAHMAN VARNA / COMMUNITY !
( 10 ) ON VAMAN WHO DECEIVED BALI TO CAPTURE HIS KINGDOM .
( 11 ) ON NARSINGH WHO MISGUIDED PRAHLAD AND KILLED HIS FATHER , UNCLE AND AUNTIE .
( 12 ) ON INDIRA WHO RAPED MANY WOMEN EVEN RISHIS` WIVES AND OFTEN USES HIS KEEPS TO FINISH OPPONENTS
( 13 ) ON LAKSHMAN WHO ACCOMPANIED RAM AND SITA WITHOUT HIS NEWLY MARRIED WIFE URMILA FOR 14 YEARS .HE LEFT SITA IN FOREST UNGUARDED AND IN PREGNANCY !
( 14 ) ON FIVE PANDVAS WHO LOST THEIR CO-OPERATIVE WIFE DAROPADI TO KAURVAS IN GAMBLING !!!!
AND MANY MORE !!!!! WE WILL PAY HIS FEES BECAUSE DOCTORS RECEIVE THEIR CHARGES .
NOW THIS E-DIALOGUE WILL BE GLOBAL DUE DR RAO AND HIS FRIENDS !!!!!
BEFORE THIS IT WAS A BRAIN EXERCISE ONLY !!!!!
http://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/16/brahmins-destroyed-the-dravidian-indus-valley-civilization/
C . L . CHUMBER said
C . L . CHUMBER said
April 30, 2009 @ 5:44 pm
IS DR. M.R.SATISH RAO ,,Senior Registrar ,Old Clapham Hospital,
Manchester,UK ETHICALLY OR PHYSICALLY ALIVE OR EXPIRED ? ? ? ? ?
kumarpushp said
C . L . CHUMBER said
THIS IS A REALLY GOOD NEWS FOR THE PEOPLE FIGHTING AGAINST THE EVILS WHETHER IN PAST OR AT PRESENT !!!!!
WHEN I READ HIS FICTITIOUS REPORT , I WAS SO SHOCKED THAT MY NOSE WAS BLEEDING EVEN IN THE COLD SEASON !!!!!
I PROMISE WITH ALL THE HUMANITARIANS IN THE UNIVERSE THAT THESE EVIL GODS WILL BE PUT IN THE GUTTERS !!!!!
HENCE THEIR FOLLOWERS WILL BE GOD-LESS AND HELPLESS !!!!!
i AGAIN CONGRATULATE YOU FOR SUPPLYING THIS NEWS TO THE VIEWERS OF THE http://dalitnation.wordpress.com .PRIDE HATH A FALL !!!!!
kumarpushp said
May 23, 2009 @ 9:42 pm
Dr Rao name has been struck off from the General medical council,London and he is on dole and eating his dinner at Gurdwara in London.
C .L . CHUMBER said
IN THE DISCUSSIONS , THE ARGUEMENTS ARE SUPREME !
IN THE RELIGIONS , THE ETHICS ARE SUMREME !
MR.SUKRACHARYA ! NEITHER AN ETHICAL RELIGION NOR AN ETHICAL LAW OF THE LAND RECOGNISES THE EVILS AND EVIL PERSONS !!!!!
HAVE YOU ANY ARGUEMENTS IN FOUVER OF THESE EVIL GODS ? ? ? ? ?
Shukra Charya said
June 8, 2009 @ 9:09 pm
C.L.CHUMBER, You have to make an argument without using “RAPE” or “FASCIST” or “RACIST”.
RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said
You are also a phiosopher .Your these writings will be quoted one day at large scale . It is true that laws , arguments and ethics are supreme and play vital roles in our day to day life .
C .L . CHUMBER said
June 10, 2009 @ 7:51 am
C . L . CHUMBER said
( 1 ) THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST HINDU GODS !
( 2 ) THE CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM INVENTED AND MANTAINED BY THESE THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST HINDU GODS !!
( 3 ) THE R.S.S. !!!
( 4 ) THE ANTI-MUSLIM AND MINORITIES AND ANTI-SECULARISM AGENDA .!!!!
( 5 ) THE ANTI-SCs, STs , OBCs AND WOMEN AGENDA !!!!!
C . L . CHUMBER said
June 15, 2009 @ 10:17 am
BJP should give up ‘Hindutva’: RSS ideologue Vaidya
hh said
( 1 ) THE ACCUSATIONS AND LIES HE SPREADS ABOUT HINDU GODS !
( 2 ) THE CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM INVENTED AND MANTAINED BY THESE THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST MINDED POLITICAL LEADERS LIKE CHUMBER !!
( 3 ) HIS LUNACY !!!
( 4 ) THE MUSLIM FUNDING AND ANTI-SECULARISM AGENDA .!!!!
( 5 ) THE DIVISION OF PEOPLE INTO SCs, STs , OBCs AND MISSIONARY BOOTLICKING AGENDA !!!!!
C . L . CHUMBER said
( 3360 REFERENCES ON GOOGLE ) !!!!!
COURTESY : http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&q=NEHARU-GANDHI+DYNASATY+-+A+CURSE+OR+GIFT+FOR+DEMOCRACY+%3F&btnG=Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=
C . L . CHUMBER said
THE CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM INVENTED AND MANTAINED BY THESE THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST HINDU GODS !!
C . L . CHUMBER said
* Second , I treat Mr. Happy Hindu`s family ladies as my family ladies ! Therefore no question arises of raping his family ladies by me !!!!!
** Without proof any one can blame that Mr. Happy Hindu being the follower of Brahma rapes his daughter daily ?
*** I am voluntary missionary of the aboriginal Indians and I am of the opinion that caste / varna system and conversion to Hinduism and other religion divided the aboriginal Indians !!!!!
hh said
June 27, 2009 @ 5:38 am
CHUMBER SHOULD GIVE UP :-
( 1 ) THE ACCUSATIONS AND LIES HE SPREADS ABOUT HINDU GODS !
My ( C.L.CHUMBER ) answer is : The every thing is referred .
( 2 ) THE CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM INVENTED AND MANTAINED BY THESE THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST MINDED POLITICAL LEADERS LIKE CHUMBER !!
My ( C.L.CHUMBER ) answer is : Mr. Happy Hindu must submit documentary proofs , if I invented and maintained the caste / varna system ! Indirectly , Mr. Happy Hindu discarded Brahma , Vishanu and their incarnations due their being the rapists , racists and fascists !!!!!
Second , I treat Mr. Happy Hindu`s family ladies as my family ladies ! Therefore no question arises of raping his family ladies by me !!!!!
Third , I believe in the Indian constitution and the unity and integrity of my sweet country !!!!!
( 3 ) HIS LUNACY !!! :
My answer ( C.L.CHUMBER ) is : I belong to a gentle family otherwise I may blame like you !!!!!
( 4 ) THE MUSLIM FUNDING AND ANTI-SECULARISM AGENDA .!!!!
My ( C.L.CHUMBER ) answer : What is my Muslim funding ? Have you any proof ? Without proof any one can blame that Mr. Happy Hindu being the follower of Brahma rapes his daughter daily ?
What is my anti-secularism agenda ? My agenda is anti-rapists , fascists and racists evil Gods !!!!!
( 5 ) THE DIVISION OF PEOPLE INTO SCs, STs , OBCs AND MISSIONARY BOOTLICKING AGENDA !!!!!
My ( C.L.CHUMBER ) answer is : I had not divided people into SCs , STs and OBCs .Mr. Happy Hindu ! this means you are not in favour of caste / varna based division of human beings created by your Brahma Gods and maintained by your another Vishanu God and his incarnations .
Second , I am voluntary missionary of the aboriginal Indians and I am of the opinion that caste / varna system and conversion to Hinduism and other religion divided the aboriginal Indians !!!!!
CONCLUSION : MR. HAPPY HINDU IS DIRECTLY AND INDIRECTLY PROVED AGAINST HIS RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS !!!!!
C . L . CHUMBER said
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* MP CHIEF MINISTER HAS PRIVATE VISIT WITH SABHARWAL MURDER SUSPECTS .
January 4, 2008 posted by indiatime |
On August 26, 2006, Prof. Sabharwal, a Professor from Madhav College at Ujjain (MP), was beaten to death by a handful of activists of ABVP (Akhil Bhartiya Vidyarthi Parishad), a student body with political connections and motivations. For last year and a half, the case has dragged in the oddest of ways, starting with the police and the justice system getting threatened by the perpetrators, judges being transferred, witnesses turning hostile, and staying of of the trial.
Now comes yet another twist in the tragic tale of the Professor Sabharwal’s murder. One of the accused murderers, supposedly hospitalized for chest pain symptoms, got a high profile well-wishing visit from Shivraj Singh Chouhan, the chief minister (CM) of the state of Madhya Pradesh.
Chief minister Chouhan, the leader of the state BJP legislature, told the press that his visit to the hospital was a surprise visit to check the hospital’s condition. One of the patients he just happened to pay a visit to, was the ABVP activist accused in the Professor’s murder. The chief minister’s contention that his meeting the alleged murderer was a coincidence, however, turns out to be anything but, since Chouhan himself, according to his government’s website was the chief organizer. the general secretary, and a member of the national cader of the ABVP. Those facts alone are enough to dispute the chief minister’s defense of his hospital visit, and enough to catch him in a lie that might hide the mystery behind a teacher’s murder.
Why does a person at the top of the political throne in the state pay a personal visit to an accused murderer in a high-profile case? Couldn’t the chief minister have talked to the perpetrator on phone? Couldn’t the chief minister have talked to the perpetrator through a third party? Seems that the chief minister did not trust the privacy of his communication lines or trust any third party to pass a message to the accused murderers. A conversation that private and secretive opens itself up to conspiracy theories that go all the way to the top of the political hierarchy of the state of Madhya Pradesh. Normally, apart from the parties defending the accused in a criminal case, no other conversation would be protected as confidential or private. The whole hospital visit issue can be construed as one or more of the following:
1. The chief minister of MP is defending the accused murderers of Prof. Sabharwal
2. The chief minister of MP knows a lot more about the murder of Prof. Sabharwal that he won’t share with the public
3. The chief minister of MP is, at the least, aiding and abetting accused murderers
Now, if the first of the options can be true only of the lawyers who represent the accused. The second of the options should make one a witness in the case. The third option would put a person in the ranks of the accused. Where does the MP chief minister stand?
In all fairness to Mr. Chouhan, there are 3 more theoretical possibilities that must be expressed here.
1. The accused ABVP activists had nothing to do with the murder of Prof. Sabharwal.
2. The Chief Minister was set up by opponents within his own administration into visiting some accused murderers.
3. The Chief Minister just happened to say hi a patient who just happened to be from his own political circles, but was also an accused murderer in a famous crime.
If any of those options turns out to be true, I promise to take another look at the phenomena of political coincidences.
COURTESY :
http://www.indiatime.com/2008/01/04/mp-chief-minister-has-private-visit-with-sabharwal-murder-suspects/
C . L . CHUMBER said
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July 16, 2009 @ 3:28 pm
WE INDIANS WANT JUSTICE FOR LATE PROF. SABHARWAL , HIS FAMILY AND ENTIRE HUMAN BEINGS >
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* WHO KILLED PROFESSOR SABHARWAL? BJPs MOMENT OF SHAME
COURTESY : http://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/not-white-tiger-but-the-black-panther-of-dalits-for-india/#comment-6956
C . L . CHUMBER said
DEAR VIEWERS,
I FEEL PLEASURE TO SUPPLY LINK OF ” THE INDIAN CONSTITUTION ONLINE ”
C.L.CHUMBER
Indian Constitution online
Apr 19, 2009
Uncategorized
I was just surfing around and found out the official latest version of the Constitution of India, owned, maintained and updated by Legislative Department, Ministry of Law and Justice.
Here’s the link : http://indiacode.nic.in/coiweb/welcome.html
It provides Index wise as well as full text search facility and the text is available in Hindi & English.
And in case you wana download the fulL pdf version you can get it here, again a governmental website so its all official.
So, “We the people of India..” can access the constitution anytime and use it for our reference, with pride.
C . L . CHUMBER said
Sukra Charya said
July 15, 2009 @ 9:59 pm
“THE RSS AND ITS OFFSHOOTS INCLUDING BJIP ARE ANTI-CONSTITUTION !!!!!”
Many people, including the President of Pakistan (Mr. Musharraf) think so. The point is: where is your evidence?
rajashekar said
Thank you for the link.
C . L . CHUMBER said
July 22, 2009 @ 3:48 am
INDIAN CONSTITUTION ONLINE
DEAR VIEWERS,
I FEEL PLEASURE TO SUPPLY LINK OF ” THE INDIAN CONSTITUTION ONLINE ”
C.L.CHUMBER
ToAStupidFellow said
C.L.CHUMBER said
EVERY THING HAD BEEN DISCUSSED WITH REFERENCE . IN FUTURE ALSO , EVERY THING WILL BE DISCUSSED WITH LOGIC AND REFERENCES !!!!!
ToAStupidFellow said
July 31, 2009 @ 9:04 am
What is the use of supplying the link? Did that idiot Chumber read it or not? If he read it, how come he is not apologizing for alleging baseless things about hindusim?
ToAStupidFellow said
Did you read that link at all? Did you read about religious freedom? Ofcourse you did not. Even if you did, your stupid brain cannot understand it. You only know to allege without proof. You better go and FILE A CASE RIGHT NOW, you coward.
RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said
ToAStupidFellow said
July 31, 2009 @ 9:04 am
What is the use of supplying the link? Did that idiot Chumber read it or not? If he read it, how come he is not apologizing for alleging baseless things about hindusim?
ToAStupidFellow said
August 4, 2009 @ 6:43 pm
Don’t allege. Prove that hindusim is anti-constitutional. Provide the verses where rapism, racism and fascism is endorsed in hinduism.
Did you read that link at all? Did you read about religious freedom? Ofcourse you did not. Even if you did, your stupid brain cannot understand it. You only know to allege without proof. You better go and FILE A CASE RIGHT NOW, you coward.
hh said
You are the most unparliamentary person on this blog.
Don’t waste time making stupid comments.
Just GO AND FILE A CASE RIGHT NOW.
ANITA GUPTA said
hh said
ANITA GUPTA said
C . L . CHUMBER said
October 14, 2008 @ 6:20 pm
I AM READY TO DARE CHALLENGE THE WORSHIPERS , DEFENDERS AND GLORIFIERS OF RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS AND INVENTORS OF THE CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM !!!!! I AM READY TO DRINK A BOWL OF POISON LIKE SOCRATE BUT I WILL NOT SURRENDER TO THE BARBARIAN INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDUS !!!!! THE WAR AGAINST THE EVIL GODS AND THEIR EVIL FOLLWERS WILL BE FOUGHT IN THE COURTS ACCORDING TO THE DR. AMBAWDEKAR @ DR. AMBEDKAR`S CONSTITUTION !!!! ALL HINDU SCRIPTURES ARE READY FOR REFERENCES .A PERSON WHO HAVE NOT ONE HIS NAME AND ADDRESS IS GOING TO FILE A CASE . HE HAS PUBLISHED MY TWO EMAILS ADDRESSES IN THIS BLOG . BUT HE DID NOT DARE TO PUBLISH HIS OWN EMAIL ADRESSES IN THIS BLOG .COME ON !!!!!
hindushemhappy said,
October 14, 2008 @ 1:11 am
If you and the owner of this blog do not give your name and address within the next 3 days, then a FIR will be filed against you for sedition, anti-Indian government stand, hurting religious sentiments and inciting communal divide.
If we cannot find this blog’s owner / writer, then you Chumber will face charges for both of you together.
http://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/dalits-must-agitate-for-reservation-in-private-sector/#comment-2416
hh said
C.L.CHUMBER said
ANITA GUPTA said
August 6, 2009 @ 7:13 am
I read this write up of Mr. Chumber and came to know his commitment towards his views . I am proud of him and wish him success in this cause .
C.L.CHUMBER said
WHAT IS THE PROOF THAT YOU ARE NOT A STUPID PERSON ?
THE ABUSERS ARE ALWAYS MENTALLY SICK PERSON !
hh said
August 18, 2009 @ 6:53 am
Stupid Chumber,
You are the most unparliamentary person on this blog.
Don’t waste time making stupid comments.
Just GO AND FILE A CASE RIGHT NOW.
hh said
come to court and prove that your concern for the downtrodden is genuine and not just an eyewash.
come to court and prove that you do not have khalistan links with the agenda of sedition.
Bilal Khan said
hh said
Those who turn muslim after getting inspired by Zakir Naik’s speeches may turn into Jain in future after they start reading more about Islam on their own. I know someone who did just that (meaning he converted from islam to jainism; and ended up marrying a hindu later).
Please ask Zakir Naik to go preach about Islam and peace to Al-Qaeda, JeM, and all those terrorsit organizations. Everyone who wants peace will be grateful to him, not just muslims alone.
C.L.CHUMBER said
I AS WELL AS THE http://dalitnation.wordpress.com ARE READY TO PUT OVER CASE IN THE CONSTITUTIONAL COURT .
YOU ARE THREATENING US FOR THE LAST ONE YEAR BUT YOU NEVER FILED CASE IN THE COURT .
YOU SO MANY TIMES WROTE THAT YOU DID NOT HONOUR THE SUPREME COURT`S JUDGEMENT ON ” IDIOT ” .
FIRST OF ALL , THE COURT WILL ASK YOU AND WILL SEND YOU IN THE JAIL FOR DISOBEYING THE SUPREME COURT JUDGEMENT .
PLEASE DO NOT BARK BY ABUSING US FREEQUENTLY . WHENEVER WE WILL MEET IN THE COURT PREMISES , THE PEOPLE WILL DEFACE YOU AS YOU WROTE THAT VALMIKI , AMBEDKAR , KANSHI RAM AND CHUMBER`S FATHER WERE RAPISTS WITHOUT ANY PROOF .
WE ARE READY FOR LEGAL BATTLE !
hh said
You deal with Sanjam’s words seperately. Do not link me with him.
Provide the following details, we will file a case :
1) Your full name
2) Your date of birth
3) Voter’id card number
4) PAN number
5) Residential address
6) Occupation and office address
7) Names of family members
8 ) Your annual income tax returns and proof of funding sources.
Just provide the details instead of talking, deviating and misleading. The rest will be handled in court.
You sure cannot deny your khalistan links. Talk all that you want to talk in court. You will certainly be tried under TADA charges and sent to jail.
C.L.CHUMBER said
THERE MUST BE AN EDUCATIONAL ORGANISATION OF THE BAHUJANS TO PERSUE THE GOVT. TO UPGRADE THE MAXIMUM SCHOOLS ESPECIALLY IN THE RURAL AREA . THE GOVT. MUST RECRUIT TEACHERS AS PER REQUIREMENT . THE GOVT. MUST ALSO MAKE A WAITING LIST OF THE SELECTED TEACHERS AGAINST THE EXPECTED RETIRING TEACHERS WHO MUST JOIN ON THE DATE OF RETIREMENT OF THE TEACHER .
THE GOVT. MUST ORGANIZE THE PARENTS MEET ONCE IN A MONTH IN EVERY SCHOOL IN WHICH THE EDUCATIONAL EXPERTS AND THE SCHOOL TEACHERS SHOULD DELIVER SPEECHES ON THE RELEVANCY OF EDUCATION IN THE SUCCESS OF A STUDENT , HOW THE PARENTS SHOULD WATCH THEIR STUDENT CHILDREN AT HOME .ON THAT DAY , THERE MUST BE A CULTURAL PROGRAMME OF STUDENTS .
ONCE MY ELDER DAUGHTER BEING A STUDENT OF BBA FINAL YEAR SHOWED HER FRIENDS HER TALENT OF SINGING . HER FRIENDS LIKED AND INFORMED THE CONCERNED LECTURER . MY WIFE ENCOURAGED HER AND ADVISED TO SHOW HER TALENT . SHE WAS SELECTED FOR THE COLLEGE`S WESTERN SONG GROUP AND HER TEAM STOOD RUNNER UP IN THE UNIVERSITY . MY WIFE AND MYSELF WENT TO WATCH HER COMPETITION AT UNIVERSITY .
THE PARENTS AND SOCIETY MUST BE VIGILANT FOR THEIR CHILDREN`S EDUCATION AT HOME AND IN SCHOOLS .
Punjab to upgrade 3,000 middle schools
LINK : http://www.tribuneindia.com/2009/20090910/punjab.htm#9
ANITA GUPTA said
I appreciate you and the M/s http://dalitnation.wordpress.com for a missionary fight against the evils and evil persons in every field . I liked your daring challenge as below :
THIS CHALLENGE IS FOR EVER TO THE EVIL FOLLOWERS OF THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!!
We are with you all who fight for human rights and human dignity .
C . L . CHUMBER said
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Dear Viewers ,
The maoists among the aboriginal Indians are the main and common target of the manuwadis and their governments at the centre and at the state level . The RSS applauded Mr. P.Chidambram , Home Minister in the Congress party`s centre government . Mr. Rahul Gandhi , national general secretary of the Congress party recently said that the maoists are the creation of the mis rule of the states . His father Mr. Rajiv Gandhi also once expressed the same views regarding the so called terrorism in India .
Mr. Chidambram said , ” The pro-Maoist sympathisers must think over the violence by the Maoists.” Mr. Chidambaram must understand Mr. Rahul`s remarks on this problem . If the government finishes the poverty , unemployment , casteism and corruption every where in India , the so-called violence will die automatically . The both sides of the police , para-military forces and the maoists belong to the aboriginal Indians .
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CHIDAMBARAM SLAMS MAOIST SYMPATHISERS
Times Now 26 October 2009, 01:13pm IST
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A day after four CISF jawans were killed in an attack by Maoists in Chhattisgarh, the Home Ministry on Monday slammed those supporting the
Maoists. ( Watch Video )
According to a note released, the Home Ministry has condemned the attack on a Public Sector Unit (PSU) in Chhattisgarh and questioned the motive behind the violence. The ministry also states that pro-Maoist sympathisers must think over the violence by the Maoists.
In a statement issued by the Home Ministry, the government condemns the attack saying, “The Government of India strongly condemns this unprovoked and heinous attack by the CPI (Maoist) on a public sector security force that was on a routine patrol in an area falling under the jurisdiction of a public sector corporation. What is the motive behind the attack on a police force that provides security to NMDC? What is the message that the CPI (Maoist) intends to convey? These are questions that we would like to put not only to the CPI (Maoist) but also to those who speak on their behalf and chastise the government.”
The statement added, “We think that it is time for all right-thinking citizens who believe in democracy and development to condemn the acts of violence perpetrated by the CPI (Maoist).”
On Sunday, four CISF personnel (one SI, one HC and two Constables) were killed and two constables were critically injured in a planned landmine blast in the mines area of National Minerals Development Corporation (NMDC) in Bacheli, Chhattisgarh.
Courtesy : http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Chidambaram-slams-Maoist-sympathisers/articleshow/5162978.cms
Hindu Pragmatist said
FWIW, nobody outside the ranks of Dalit “elites” really think or care about Ambedkar. He is a smart lawyer and helped us write our constitution. That’s pretty much it. Look around you and see how many non-Dalit leaders care about him or how much your own Dalits think about him in Indian villages. Only the urban elites who have their careers to develop using reservation or division still keep talking about him. We rest of India have moved on and Ambedkar is a distant hisory. So much for your “father of India” thingie.
Nanayam said
WAKE UP DALITS!! STAY AWAY FROM CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM!!!
Shyam said
To:john.dayal@gmail.com
Cc: dhirendrapanda@gmail.com; agamiorissa@yahoogroups.com; common-concern@googlegroups.com; kbkroundtable@googlegroups.com; orissatoday@googlegroups.com; national-forum-of-india@yahoogroups.co.in; ajaysingh@gmail.com; francispclm@yahoo.com; orissapolitics@yahoogroups.com; catholicunion@gmail.com
Note: Mr RL Francis reply to Dr John Dayal on the debate related to the peace process in Kandhamal.
Do you want the Church to disintegrate in India?
Comrade John Dayal Ji,
This is in reference to your email in response to an article ‘Kandhamal: The Real Challenges’ by RL Francis released in the public domain on 25 th September 2010.
As a poor Catholic Christian I believe in Jesus Christ’s teaching which we receive through the words of His Holiness Pope in the Vatican. The teachings of Jesus Christ tell us that we must love our neighbours and forgive our enemies. The Poor Christian Liberation Movement (PCLM) believes in dialogue with the Hindus with whom we Christians are having tensions from quiet sometime.
Comrade John Dayal ji, you are accusing me of being an agent of BJP and the Sangh. But this is wrong. I believe in a dialogue with Hindus and may I remind you that the Archbishop of Gandhi Nagar Rt. Rev. Fernandez accepted facilitation by RSS and VHP pro-organization last year. The Cardinal of Mumbai meets some top Hindu leaders to bring peace and reconciliation. Are our most revered cardinals and Archbishops are also stooge of BJP and Sangh ?
It is important to remind the readers that in the year 2000 the ‘Catholic Bishops Conference of India’s’ president late Archbishop Alan de Lastic had a meeting with ex RSS chief Shri K.S. Sudarshan. This was an attempt for a open dialogue with the Hindus so that field level problems can be resolved. You opposed the meeting of Late Archbishop Alan with RSS Chief Vehemently and raised the bogie of secularism.
What is the result of that opposition today? Your opposition to dialogue is baffling because you are a member of the National Integration Council (NIC) of India and your duty is to bring peace and initiative dialogue among different religious groups. But you are undermining the dialogue process between Hindus and the Christians.
His Holiness Pope and the Vatican Council has also drawn the attention of the faithful around the word towards the harm done in the name of secularism to Christianity in Europe. Today Europe is almost ‘anti Christian”. Perhaps you want the same situation in India also.
The Left politics is to isolate the Catholic Christians and draw them in the fold of the Communist parties of this country particularly in Kerala where our Christian’s brethren and sisters are facing many problems. Will a strategy of confrontation solve the problems or efforts to bring peace and reconciliation among Hindus and Christians will be a better way. I believe in peace but what do you want dear brother?
Kandhamal is a big challenge before the Christians in India. What steps have been taken by you or by the All India Catholic Union or All Indian Christian Council in Kandhamal to bring normalcy and peace?
I sincerely wish to see that our poor dalit, adivasi Christians do not suffer. It is one thing to issue statement from the air-conditioned rooms and it is another cup of tea to make peace efforts. Also there is more money in ‘spreading hat rated ‘than bringing peace.
As the old saying goes “those who live in glass houses…” I pray to the Lord Jesus Christ to give you Sadbudhi.
Yours Sincerely in Christ,
RL Francis
Octoeber 3, 2010
RE: National Forum | Re: Kandhamal : The Real Challenges
From: Benjamin P N
To: national-forum-of-india@yahoogroups.co.in
My friend, John Dayal, is following the same standard tactics of the pseudo ‘intellectuals’ all over the world, when they know that their lies have been exposed and call their opponents names.
It is in the interest of people like Mr. Dayal who are projecting themselves as leaders of the Christian community that the Christians in India remain in a state of discontent. It is only then they have any chance of being projected as leaders. It does not matter to them that in the process, the Christian community is being grievously harmed. People like Dayal know that if the Christian community is contented, then he and his ilk will not receive any funds from the foreign agencies. Then they will have to make serious efforts to make a decent living.
P.N.Benjamin
John Dayal
http://www.johndayal.com
Thu, September 30, 2010 1:13:21 AM
Re: JVM’s clarification on Mr Dhirendra Panda’s concerns
My dear Sai
Greetings
I have in the past had several occasions to ask you the reason for your fascination and support to R L Francis, a known church baiter propped up by Balbir Punj, the BJP MP, and the Sangh.
Francis has little facts to go by. Mala heads a street theatre unit, not Sahmat. Sahmat was not involved in the Tribunal on Kandhamal was. The Hashmi you want to speak of is Shabnam, of Anhad, which is no a CPIM front.
I fear you too share Francis’s and Punj’s world view, with your own preoccupation with conversions. You forge the hate campaign of the late Saraswati and his forced conversions of tribals. Tribals, of course as you know, are not Hindus. You also forget, as does Francis, the large scale entry of Oriya plains traders into Kandhamal and the havoc they have crated. I just mention a few. You must go to Kandhamal more often and take Francis with you to see the reality of the day.
Meanwhile, please publish on your many websites the full reports of the academic studies on gender, media bias, children and other issues that were commissioned by the tribunal.
God bless
John Dayal
Kamdhml: The Real Challenges
By RL Francis
The vice chairman of National Commission for Minorities (NCM) Dr HT Sangliana giving a clean chit to Orissa government on Kandhamal violence by praising the steps taken by the state government for bringing normalcy in Phulbani district has given a blow to the Christian organisations allegations against the state government. These organisations had alleged that several thousands of the victims are yet to be rehabilitated in the effected areas of Kandhamal.
After making a visit to the violence hit areas, Sangliana said that the victims have returned home and those who have not returned to Kandhamal are actually working in the neighbouring states.
This statement of NCM vice chairman discounts all the allegations of the Church against the Naveen Patnaik government of not taking care of Kandhamal victims.
NCM vice-chairman’s visit to Kandhamal came in the wake of more than 50 NGOs related to Church organised a public hearing titled “National Tribunal on Kandhmal” from 22 to 24 th August 2010 at New Delhi.The supporters of this event included Catholic Archbishop of Cuttack Bhuvneshwar Rev. Raphel Cheenath, John Dayal of All Indian Christian Council and All India Cathoic Union and Sahmat, a Comminist Party of India front organization headed by Mala Hashmi.
In this public hearing, film producer Mahesh Bhatt, member of National Advisory Council Harsh Mandar, Syed Hamid, Ruth Manorama,Milan Kothari,Admiral Vishnu Bhagwat and few other leading personalities have participated. Retired Chief Justice of High Court A.P Shah chaired the Tribunal hearing. On the other hand, away from the glare of media some non-christian and tribals were present at Jantar Mantar to express their grief. However, it will be a distant hope that their voices will reach to the masses as that of ‘National Tribunal on Kandhmal’.
Church has always alleged to indulge in conversion of the poor scheduled castes and tribals. Some Hindu fanatics had burnt alive foreign missionary Graham Stains and his two sons in Mayurbhanj district of Orissa for indulging in the conversion. After a decade, there were riots in Kandhmal.
After the killing of Swami Laxmananand on 23 August, 2008, the rift between local Christians and non-christians was getting wider. In these riots more than 40 people had been killed and thousands of homes had been torched and hundreds of places of worships had been burnt. Thousands of people had to take shelter in relief camps and many of these people are still living in those camps due to fear. As always happens politics started after Kandhmal riots and this is still continued. After killing of Swami Laxmananda and flare up of communal riots, attempts should have been made to restore peace and normalcy in the violence hit area. That was never started. On the contrary, attempts have been made to internationalise the issue by the Church organisations.
Western world became serious Kandhmal when Pope Benedict-XIV accused Indian government for its failure to protect the Christians. Before this statement, Pope had called Indian ambassador in Vatican about attempt of implementing the possible anti-conversion laws in some of the states in India. Italian government also expressed displeasure about Kandhmal riots. US based USCIRF demanded to probe the matter independently. However, Indian government had not grant permission till date.
It is ill fate of Indian Christians that missionaries try to take mileage on incidents of attacks on Muslims. They do not participate in talks and continue their activities due to the support of European countries. Even Mahatma Gandhi had criticised conversion and many nationalists had supported him as main aim of conversion was to produce British supported people. Even today, Churches are thriving on foreign donations. They are accountable to US and European organisations.
The impact and penetration of Church in these European countries can be gauged from the fact that last year an European Union delegation had visited Kandhmal to know the situation. The union when came to India received unprecedented welcome. On the other hand, central government had constituted a delegation led by Sharad Pawar but it did not receive a welcome.
Even after independence, missionaries have not become self-dependent. Church officials are accountable to catholic pope. Bishop is the main link between pope and Vatican. Bishops are appointerd by ther Pope. In fact, Protestants are dependent on European Union for grants. This is why for every problem they look towards Europe. They are skeptical about Indian laws and legal system. This attitude has alienated them from the national mainstream. However, there are many facilities in India which they avail here is not even available in European countries, for example special rights to run school and getting government grants etc.
In the current scenario, the larger question is what should be the approach of Church and Christians? They rely more on the unethical and illegal pressure imposed by European countries on India to get their problems heard. An Indian ambassador who happens to be my friend told me an experience about a conference organised by Indian Christians settled in America and almost all of the speakers presented scary picture about India to convey that the country is not a worth-living place for Christians at all. Then, the ambassador told them there that they should not play such a dirty game thousands of kilometres away from their home. He told that Indian Christians were completely safe in India and nobody suspects them on their patriotism. Governments handing over the sensitive official portfolios to Christian officials. This incident told by my friend kept haunting my mind for a long time.
What hurts that Church leadership did not try to go to the roots of Kandhmal riots. A commission constituted by government had pointed that conversion, fake caste-certificates and land controversies were the chief reasons behind the riots. Commission was of the view that after conversion of dalits and tribals, the rift has widened so much so that situation is difficult to understand sitting from Delhi. Commission suggested that government should work fast to free lands of Adivasis and should address on the problem of fake caste-certificates. There is a need to alert on the conversion. Conversion is not an issue in Kandhmal only rather it is a national issue. Though, report took holistic view of the problem but Church rejected this point of view of commission.
Church needs a target to continue the work and it has got this in RSS which has been very much vocal on the issue of conversion. On many places it has directly confronted conversion. This clash is sharper in Jharkhand, Karnataka, Madhya Pradesh and Chattisgarh. Church has used its influence to send the message at international level. The fresh issue is from Karnataka where a former judge Justice Saldhana has alleged that in 500 days there has been 1000 attacks on Christians and has demanded to sack democratically elected government of Karnataka. However, his report does not match to a Christian organization report which says that there are only 72 incidents of attack. Attacks on anybody are condemnable and should be stopped immediately. However, meesage of love being given by church on Sunday is fast replaced by tirade of hate. Church is trying to alienate their followers from the mainstream.
We should move ahead after learning from the incidents of Kandhmal. However, unfortunately this is not happening. Church is giving so much arguments justifying its actions but people are not convinced. There are pockets in Uttar Pradesh which have become silent volcanoes. As per reports from Tarai region, foreign missionaries with the help of local church officials have stepped up their activities. What surprises there are many regions, where there is no Christian population, lands are being bought. In western UP, ABC church is converting poorer Hindus in large number. But in government records they are still Hindus. In Gurgaon at Dhankot a saminary is running in hundreds acres. This is being run by Protestants and name of saminary is Dayadham.
Here poor people from north India are brought and they attend 3-year-course of priesthood. This year I had an opportunity to attend at convocation ceremony. Students were told to work for the propagation of Christianity. They have been instructed to spread “Message of God”. Poor people for their livelihood accept this job of converting people. These groups of boys and girls are called ‘Salvation Army’. They get monthly grant of 100 dollars. They are not aware of the fact that they have become puppets in the hands of foreign missionaries. This has resulted in increased tensions in certain areas. Last year Punjab had boiled on a controvertial poster of Jesus Christ.
In Kandhmal, NCM vice chairman has already made a statement that the displaced people are rehabilitated. As per reports from Kandhmal, the rift between Christians and Non-Christians are widening in the areas situated near Gunsar forest. In stead of returning to their vilalges people living in relief camps have started settling there. Orissa government and church are helping them in this process. In a way communal division is getting wider. This is a new kind of polarisation.This can be stopped only through peace process to be carried by both the communities.
Christians should come out of their ostrich like mentality and should gear to face the real life challenges. Christians should connect to the democratic process of the country and seek long term solutions in Indian context. They should be able to distinguish between religion and social responsibilities. Today, church has messed up religion and social service. It is alleged that year the Church carries out social services and relief work only where there exists probability of conversion. It is clear from the floods in Punjab Haryana and Western UP where the church did not carry out any flood relief operations despite wide spread calamity. The ordinary Christians are also baffled due to political mix up by the Church. Church should ponder that why people are skeptical even after so much of social service in the hinterland?
Delhi based author is President, Poor Christian Liberation Movement.